Shane and Rich,

All of that

> On Oct 6, 2023, at 05:49, rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
> 
> All of this. Hopefully we can focus on actual achievable goals, and not
> spend the entire time falling down philosophical rabbit holes. I
> definitely want to be part of this conversation. I very much want Brian
> to be part of it too, and we need to be sure not to make sweeping
> decisions without bringing Brian and our Constantia friends in on it.
> But I think that we can draw some high-level proposal diagrams.
> 
> Specifically, I would like to work on turning the community.a.o site
> map into more of a tree and less of a maze. I have some concrete plans,
> but each time I start digging into it I get lost in the maze and end up
> not doing much actual writing. It would be nice to fix that this week.
> 
> --Rich
> 
> On Thu, 2023-10-05 at 23:37 -0400, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>> A number of us have been working on some very specific community 
>> documentation improvements over the past year, and it would be great
>> to 
>> find time in Halifax to share ideas and energize each other.  Who's 
>> going to be there, when might you want to work on this, and what are 
>> your ideas?
>> 
>> Besides all sorts of editing pages to really focus on writing for the
>> average reader (often newcomers on community.a.o pages), I really
>> wonder 
>> about holistic improvements to information architecture, especially
>> ones 
>> that normalize and canonicalize all the processes around the ASF way.
>> Rich and others have already started great contributor ladder stuff,
>> and 
>> also eliminating or consolidating duplicate pages.
>> 
>> One issue I struggle with strategically is: where should different 
>> content live?  On one hand, we want to focus on the reader, and meet 
>> them with what they need.  On the other hand, we have various 
>> communities/officers inside the ASF who either set policy, or perhaps
>> just provide advice and best practices.  Where should different
>> policies 
>> - and documentation thereof - live?
>> 
>> I think we need to strive towards documentation bits that can be 
>> repurposed, or can otherwise serve both as an intro to a whole
>> process, 
>> as well as a more detailed "why" that process came to be.
>> 
>> I also think organizationally, we need to decide what lives where and
>> make it easier to keep updated.  It often feels like core policies
>> and 
>> strict requirements primarily need to live on /dev (or /legal, 
>> /foundation/trademarks, infra.a.o, etc.), but that they should be 
>> shorter, clearer, and more direct about exactly what their policies
>> are.
>> 
>> And then much of the why content, and content that helps draw
>> newcomers 
>> into thinking about the bigger picture, should primarily live on 
>> community.a.o.  If people are curious or want to learn about how we 
>> *think* about communities, come to ComDev. But if existing committers
>> just want to know how to vote on a release, go to the appropriate and
>> simple /dev page that just describes the process.
>> 
>> I'll be in Halifax thru Wednesday lunchtime, but will mostly be
>> speaking 
>> and thinking about sustainability all Sunday - including at a 
>> Sustainability BOF in the evening.=
>> 
> 
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