I thought that a few folks responded to sebb earlier in the thread. Repeating an earlier post does not make it a new post.
Changing defaults will not affect people who have changed their own project settings. And if they are happy with the defaults to the extent that they complain about the defaults changing for the better, I will split the bar tab with you Craig > On Sep 29, 2023, at 09:09, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote: > > As it was pointed out that nobody responded to this, let me do so: > > We have provided docs for quite some time … nothing really has changed as > many projects are on a steep decline on using their lists. > These proposes changes have seen a very dominant support by most people who > expressed their thoughts here. You are currently the only person actively > objecting. > > We are trying to improve things. > We are also not forcing anything on anyone … whoever wants things to stay the > way they were, we provided all the information upfront to how they can keep > things the way they were. > > Let’s make a one-sided bet: if there are more people complaining about the > change after it happened than are expressing to be happy with them, I’ll > invite you to a beer? > > Chris > > > > Von: sebb <seb...@gmail.com> > Datum: Freitag, 4. August 2023 um 11:21 > An: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> > Betreff: Re: [POLL] Should we ask Infra to change the defaults used to > generate GitHub integration email subjecs? > NAK - I don't think the defaults should be changed; instead provide > docs on how to do so > Don't force projects to change if they don't want to > > On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 07:46, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > wrote: >> >> Well, >> >> stating the obvious, I’ll add my +1 ;-) >> >> And yes Craig, I said the defaults … if you have explicitly configured your >> .asf.yaml subjects, they are left unchanged. >> >> Chris >> >> >> Von: Richard Zowalla <rich...@zowalla.com> >> Datum: Mittwoch, 2. August 2023 um 08:10 >> An: dev@community.apache.org <dev@community.apache.org> >> Betreff: Re: [POLL] Should we ask Infra to change the defaults used to >> generate GitHub integration email subjecs? >> +1 >> >> Am 2. August 2023 07:47:25 MESZ schrieb Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>: >>> +1 >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 2:15 AM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Christofer, >>>> >>>> As long as projects with their own settings can continue to use them, I'm >>>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> to change the defaults for all projects. If the projects don't like being >>>> able to use their lists again, they can always go back to what they had >>>> before. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Craig >>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 05:16, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Starting a new thread as the last one sort of dried up and didn’t quite >>>>> form anything actionable. >>>>> >>>>> Being subscribed to many of our mailing-lists and most recently looking >>>>> into every project, dev-lists when reviewing board reports, I have seen >>>>> many of our lists literally being rendered useless. >>>>> >>>>> Useless, because it’s almost impossible to follow these lists, as a large >>>>> percentage of the emails are: >>>>> >>>>> * Generated emails and the way they are currently generated makes it >>>>> impossible for email clients to correctly display them as threads. >>>>> * Contain so much redundant information, that the actual start of the >>>>> header that I’m interested in reading is usually not readable on mobile >>>>> phones. >>>>> * Most discussions have been moved away from the lists (notifications@, >>>>> commits@), having left over only skeletons in which every now and then a >>>>> vote is being handled. >>>>> >>>>> My proposal is to change the default settings for auto-generated GitHub >>>>> emails for all projects (not just the new ones) to be a much more >>>>> condensed version. >>>>> >>>>> With these changes, all existing lists, that haven’t manually configured >>>>> the format of the emails, instantly get readable lists again. >>>>> >>>>> Some would argue that there might be projects that could object these >>>>> changes, but I would on the other hand bet that more projects would be in >>>>> favor of such a change than not. >>>>> Those who don’t want a change, can simply go back to the old format, by >>>>> specifying it in one commit for which we can even provide a default >>>>> .asf.yaml snippet. >>>>> >>>>> Some people expressed the wish to have longer prefixes, such as >>>>> “[ISSUE]”, “[PULL-REQUEST]” or “[DISCUSSION]” however do these not add >>>>> much information to the email that “[I]”, “[PR]” and “[D]” don’t and the >>>>> shorter version allows displaying more of the subject on mobile email >>>>> clients. >>>>> >>>>> Here’s an example of a project list before the changes: >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@streampipes.apache.org:dfr=2023-1-9|dto=2023-1-15 >>>>> Here’s an example of the same list after using the other defaults: >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/list?d...@streampipes.apache.org:dfr=2023-6-12|dto=2023-6-18 >>>>> >>>>> Here’s an example on how even ponymail is now able to display something >>>>> happening on GitHub as a discussion you can also follow nicely via email: >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/rnr9tjx9rsnqc7b5nwcf68qnp5bkr9hc >>>>> >>>>> I would propose to keep the repository as part of the templates, even if >>>>> since my PR last week was merged it’s now possible to omit that too. >>>>> >>>>> I care deeply about our projects, and I would really hate to see our core >>>>> principles being lost more and more (“If it didn’t happen on the list, it >>>>> didn’t happen”). >>>>> >>>>> You would make me really happy if I could get some general approval by >>>>> you folks here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Craig L Russell >>>> c...@apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org Craig L Russell c...@apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
