You're very welcome, Etienne. Thank *you*! - - - Vice President Sponsor Relations The Apache Software Foundation
Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:sk%40apache.org> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022, at 05:23, Etienne Chauchot wrote: > Thanks a lot Sally and Joe ! > > Best > > Etienne. > > Le 30/03/2022 à 00:29, Sally Khudairi a écrit : >> Thank you again for the updates, Etienne. >> >> I've published the blog post, which is available from: >> >> - The ASF's "Foundation" blog >> https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-my-experience >> - @TheASF Twitter feed https://twitter.com/TheASF/status/1508932452349263872 >> - The ASF on LinkedIn >> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6914698471895613440/ >> >> ...plus sent to announce@ and our media/analyst and sponsors lists. This >> will appear on the apache.org homepage and archives within the hour. >> >> We appreciate your contribution to the Success at Apache series! >> >> Best, >> Sally >> >> - - - >> Vice President Sponsor Relations >> The Apache Software Foundation >> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:sk%40apache.org> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022, at 10:53, Sally Khudairi wrote: >>> Actually ...every link from the gdoc points to the same Blogger URL. >>> >>> Kindly advise/correct. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sally >>> >>> - - - >>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>> The Apache Software Foundation >>> >>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:sk%40apache.org> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022, at 10:49, Sally Khudairi wrote: >>>> Thank you, Etienne. >>>> >>>> I'm getting ready to publish, but see that the link for "PMC Member" and >>>> "ASF Member" both point to >>>> https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949# >>>> which resolves to https://www.blogger.com/dashboard/reading >>>> >>>> Something is wrong with that. I'm happy to remove the links altogether or >>>> change. What is in place isn't right. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Sally >>>> >>>> - - - >>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>> The Apache Software Foundation >>>> >>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:sk%40apache.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022, at 09:36, Etienne Chauchot wrote: >>>>> Hi Sally, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you very much ! Sorry I just saw your email. Here is the bio: >>>>> >>>>> Etienne has been working in software engineering for more than 15 years >>>>> and is now specialized in Big Data. He is an Open Source fan, and >>>>> contributes to Apache projects such as Apache Beam, Apache Flink or >>>>> Apache Spark. He is also the author of the "Big data Chronicles" blog >>>>> (https://echauchot.blogspot.com/). He is an Apache Beam committer and PMC >>>>> member and also an Apache Foundation member. >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Etienne >>>>> >>>>> Le 28/03/2022 à 13:48, Sally Khudairi a écrit : >>>>>> Etienne --please send me a short bio (~50-75 words) so I can publish >>>>>> today. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>> Sally >>>>>> >>>>>> - - - >>>>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:sk%40apache.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, at 05:20, Sally Khudairi wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you, Etienne. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll get on this today and will let you know when we're live. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Sally >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - - - >>>>>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:sk%40apache.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022, at 05:02, Etienne Chauchot wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Sally, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joe and I have finished the final review round on the article. Can you >>>>>>>> publish it on the Success at Apache blog ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A google doc was shared to you on: khuda...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Etienne Chauchot >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 22/03/2022 à 17:25, Etienne Chauchot a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't worry for the delay, I know what it is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for your time and for all your suggestions ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Etienne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 22/03/2022 à 17:13, Joe Brockmeier a écrit : >>>>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've taken a pass at editing this and it's almost ready to go. Sorry >>>>>>>>>> for the delay, just got buried in my inbox. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> jzb >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 4:27 PM Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Etienne. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me see what we can do. I appreciate your patience. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Sally >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - - - >>>>>>>>>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>>>>>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:sk%40apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, at 10:54, Etienne Chauchot wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sally, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Joe seems very busy lately, can you point me to someone who can >>>>>>>>>>>> review my article and post it on Success at Apache blog ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Etienne >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Le 17/03/2022 à 09:20, Etienne Chauchot a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to ping you but have you had time to review the article >>>>>>>>>>>>> draft you wanted that I sent last week ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Etienne >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 14/03/2022 à 15:18, Etienne Chauchot a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't hesitate to ping me on the ASF slack channel if you need >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to discuss the content of this article. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the content looks good to you, we will publish on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Success at Apache blog and then I'll link to my personal blog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etienne >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 10/03/2022 à 15:22, Etienne Chauchot a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is draft that I've promised. Can you please review it and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell me if I can post it in "Success at Apache" and in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personnal blog also (through a link to the ASF) . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etienne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> title: *My experience with the Apache Way: a perfect society ?* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 🕥 7 min. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Introducion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been working in software engineering for more than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 years. I've always contributed to Open Source software as a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user or a coder. But I've been contributing to ASF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects such as Apache Flink >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Beam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or Apache Spark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for nearly 6 years. It is long enough for me to say that I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find *the Apache Way* is almost the best way to collaborate on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software engineering. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will not describe the Apache way here as there are a lot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of good content about that already. I will rather link to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official Apache documentation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I humbly suggest that you read what it is if you don't know it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My point here is to describe the consequences of the Apache >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Way as I see them. Of course, every Apache community is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different, but what I wanted to emphasize is that applying the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Way by the book could lead to what I'd call a "perfect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> society" even if this word seems a bit naive and over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimistic or even utopian. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A perfect society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Actually, working with the Apache way was a revelation to me !* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Apache Way leads in many ways to Open Source Communities >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behave like a sort of perfect society: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The community is governed by merit: everything is about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you do inside the community and at some point your efforts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are noted and you get credit for your work by obtaining more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights (direct access to the project repositories, election of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..). Merit also drives decisions, discussing solutions and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting for the best one leads to the best possible state of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project in the end. The best idea always wins in the long term. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The software is not driven by money: no private concerns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should take over. When the incubation process is well advanced, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before graduation, the ASF bord >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes sure that the aspiring community is well developed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (users and developers communities are big enough), healthy and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also not owned by a single company and its private financial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considerations. This ensures best decisions for the software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself but also a long term maintenance of the software. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is inclusive: every voice matters, everyone is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered equal no matter your personal background, your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education, ethnic or nationality, every contribution is good to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take. Community members recognize that people skills may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different and complementary to theirs. So contributions might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come from anyone, from anywhere and in any form (blog post, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentation, talk, code, website...) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communities are welcoming: they always search for new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talents to join their forces. Be welcoming is always very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to build and grow a community. The Open Source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community is also a great place for people to grow. The way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people collaborate is generally by mentoring. Experienced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors help new comers or experts share their thoughts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with others. It is really also a good way for mentors to share >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their passion and inspire mentorees. Mentoring is even in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DNA of the ASF starting with the incubator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the podling community profits from the experience and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advice of a mentor to grow in the Apache Way and become a top >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Communities are self-organised: there is no manager but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only technical leaders and mentors. People are self-motivated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I must say that it is the best form of motivation ever! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decision making is both simple and efficient: there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solely decision, feedback is always very important. People are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to share their thoughts and solve the problems together. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Community members are always benevolent: they are always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing to share their thoughts, review PRs, share advice, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept change requests or bug tickets. People are wiling to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept criticism without being defensive. The master word is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transparency. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last but not least, people behave friendly: public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communication (one of the ASF master words is "what did not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen publicly never happened") forces people to communicate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a positive way: for example by asking questions or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting rather than affirming or asking for thoughts rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than disagreeing bluntly. An Open Source contributor always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tries to put himself in the other person's shoes, trying to not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt his feelings and to not demotivate him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> => Considering all of this, what I can tell is that it is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way we all would like people and society in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general to behave, no ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daily life >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The funny thing is that it goes even further, after some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years of applying this philosophy (I was told lately that it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt almost like a religion 😄) at work on a full time basis, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you start applying it to daily life outside of work. It becomes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your standard way of behaving in society: meritocracy becomes a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second nature, for example you reward your home builders with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gifts and public credit because they did a good job, you reward >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your kids for good school work etc... You also start to give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to others and share your knowledge, mentoring becomes a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> second nature. Another big thing which is very visible is that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you now always take good care to give positive communication, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leading to positive and constructive thinking. Positivism also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes a second nature. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On a professional basis, an important thing is that merit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never expires. So, if you gain committership on a project, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a PMC member >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or even an ASF member >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is for life ! So your skills are recognized by your pairs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for your whole career. This is an incredible credit and a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tremendous trust mark ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can be a bit challenging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In order to avoid being seen as a total idealist 😉, I need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temper a bit: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when I first joined an Open Source community, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> felt intimidated. Community members are generally very senior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> level and very high skilled developers. But, remember what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> written above: every contribution is good to take. And, with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time and mentoring, everyone deserves his place inside the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other thing I felt a bit difficult when I joined is to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find where to start: some projects are old enough to have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large community so the amount of code is pretty high. But here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again mentoring comes into play: mentors can give you pointers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on hot topics, starter tickets or simply areas that need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance. And within time, you'll be recognized as an expert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a given area and the exciting subjects will come to you. And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you feel like you want to join a smaller community try >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joining a project which is still in the incubator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.blogger.com/blog/post/edit/1438124655819523792/141840252120770949#> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phase ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conclusion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoyed these insights and I hope it gave you the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> envy to join a Open Source community. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 25/02/2022 à 09:38, Etienne Chauchot a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Joe, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your answer and your views ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I'll send a draft webpage here before publishing. Then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after review, we could publish to the ASF blog in "Success at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache" and I can definitely link to the ASF blog post in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personal blog so that there is only one publishing place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the Apache Way, I mentioned it only for new comers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be informed, but I totally agree, it would be redundant. So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I propose that we just link an article about the Apache Way at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the beginning of my article. Do you have a good link to send >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll then describe my experience in the continuation of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> article, that was indeed the whole point of the article ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etienne. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 18/02/2022 à 19:23, Joe Brockmeier a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Etienne, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delayed response - missed this the first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go-around. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you shoot a draft *before* posting to your site? Ideally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'd post in one place. If not we can always promote it on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter and LinkedIn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the initial email, though - I'd steer away from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> describing "The Apache Way" and focus on your experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. The Apache Way has been covered, at length, already. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd focus on what your success looks like. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Describing how The Apache Way has informed your success would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be great. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jzb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 4:52 AM Etienne Chauchot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <echauc...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bertrand! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. I totally agree. I'll post on my personal blog post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and send a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> link here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etienne Chauchot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 18/02/2022 à 10:48, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi Etienne, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Le ven. 18 févr. 2022 à 10:43, Etienne Chauchot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > <echauc...@apache.org> a écrit : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> ...Any news about this proposal ? Can I start writing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> blog post ? ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I don't have decision power on what's published in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > "Success at Apache" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > but I'd say go for it! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > An actual draft is IMO the best way to convince people, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > and if they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > not convinced there's lots of other places where you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > post. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > -Bertrand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Brockmeier >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> j...@apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joe Brockmeier >>>>>>>>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity >>>>>>>>>> j...@apache.org >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>
