On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 06:04:45PM -0700, Griselda Cuevas wrote: > To clarify, I am *not* proposing we do this, I want to understand how we > see and value the topic since I consider it an important influencer in the > D&I topic.
Thank you for sharing your motivation for asking the question. I think it's important to try and state the problem we are trying to address with revealing vendor affiliations. I'm +1 with you that the topic of vendor influence does come up in the context of creating diverse communities resilient to single players stepping down (as Sam described in another mail in this thread.). > More clearly - some projects are not diverse on the commercial > vendor affiliation dimension, which can create an environment not so > friendly for diverse voices to exists so worth exploring this potential > root cause. I need time to elaborate on this hypothesis since it might help > articulate a better question. Triggered through a discussion in a podling recently, I dug a bit through our archives because I remembered the discussion of vendor diversity and the trouble that comes with trying to define it. Here's what I found and that might help you shape your question better: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/4e726bb4afa1b1340321145422fee7dba9aa6a4a5a96e2f0acd70479@%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E On the undue influence of commercial or fulltime vs partime contributors, here's what I'm regularly sharing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pbTvis4yR0 https://youtu.be/FtKE5M2LBWQ?list=PLq-odUc2x7i-1f8XW3aYwGRc7YoWcCIxA&t=1062 On community antipatterns: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO_AVjSPuBw Something I've been discussing recently off-list: Is there a way to help projects spot when they are giving a fast lane to committership to some sub-group based on statistics? What I hear people complain about from time to time (whenever they share it with me) is that "people from vendor X only take a couple months to become committer, while others barely get noticed". What if we plotted the distribution of number of people with certain times to become comitter (or pmc member, or asf member or whatever). Everytime that distribution differs from what we would expect, that could be an indication that deeper checking, asking people needs to be done. I have no idea of that would work. To date it's just my hypothesis that for projects under non-neutral influence this distribution should look different than for others. (And yes, I guess my interest in data shows...). Isabel -- Sorry for any typos: Mail was typed in vim, written in mutt, via ssh (most likely involving some kind of mobile connection only.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
