On 3/22/19 12:49 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi Rich,
>
> I’m not sure if you included the Incubator in your analysis. We have mentions
> of meritoc on six pages along with references to foundation pages and links.
>
> The pages are:
>
> guides/proposal.html
> guides/graduation.html
> guides/community.html
> guides/ppmc.html
> index.html
> policy/incubation.html
I didn't, as that's not content that I've ever touched, so I don't have
a checkout of that.
>
> Please provide guidance on changes to the Incubator.
Yeah, that guidance is definitely something we should come up with. But
I don't think that's going to be something that we can just issue an
edict on without broader discussion - a broader discussion which will
probably involve the membership, and much vitriol. Not looking forward
to that.
But my initial guidance, at least coming out of this thread, would be
edits that reflect s/is a meritocracy/strives towards meritocratic
ideals/ or something like that.
>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/22/19 10:55 AM, Naomi Slater wrote many good and helpful things.
>>
>> Narrowing it down to the "action items":
>>
>>> there are two issues here:
>>>
>>> (1) improving our external communication in a way that communicates our
>>> desire to build an inclusive, respectful, safe, and equitable organization
>>
>> This is something that we can do immediately, in small incremental
>> patches, as we find that content. I have, as mentioned, taken a first
>> (incomplete!) step to do this on community.apache.org
>>
>> I realized this morning that one of those changes may have stepped on
>> Bertrand's toes, since he was the primary driver behind the Maturity
>> Model prose, which is used in more than just this one place. We (I?)
>> need to connect with Bertrand to ensure that the change doesn't get
>> reverted in future iterations of that content.
>>
>> Meanwhile, anyone here can start looking through the 150 (ish?) places
>> on www.apache.org where the term meritocra(cy|tic) is used, and
>> determine whether it's valuable to enhance how that is phrased.
>>
>>> (2) actually changing the way that we operate to better work towards those
>>> goals
>>>
>>> doing (2) is where we will continue to be met with resistance. with people
>>> who are upset, offended, or irritated by the work we're trying to do, the
>>> things we're saying, and the changes we're trying to make
>>
>> To which we should, as the Community Development PMC, push back and
>> insist that we're working towards the development of the community, as
>> per our charter, and that the changes are NOT about what was done in the
>> past, or a slight against who did it, but that they are intended to
>> welcome the next generation of our community, and build a strong tomorrow.
>>
>> Whatever we have done wrong in the past, I feel like it's really
>> important to focus on the future. I mean, it's *useful*, as Naomi has
>> said, to understand the past, I don't know about y'all, but all I have
>> time for is the future.
>>
>> As was illustrated brilliantly when Sharan did the community survey a
>> couple of years ago, the people who complained that it was a waste of
>> time did not, in the long run, have any right to tell us not to waste
>> our time in that way. And good came from it.
>>
>> The "small incremental changes" model applies.
>>
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>> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com
>> http://rcbowen.com/
>> @rbowen
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