On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 12:20, Julian Foad <julianf...@apache.org> wrote: > > Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > I read the quoted text but don't understand exactly what it is that > > you are suggesting, an example would probably help. > > Example -- the one that started this thread: > * somebody wants to ask every project for its best project logo (a public > matter); > * they write "Dear PMCs ..." to all projects' *private* mailing lists. > > Problem and assumptions: > * the request really ought to go to the project communities; > * the initiator (I'm guessing / generalizing) thinks the PMCs are > appropriate representatives of their communities AND knows an easy way to > email all the PMCs AND possibly has a fear of addressing a wider audience > than PMC members; > * the request goes to the private lists, more or less by accident as result > of the foregoing, especially as a result of one particular obvious-looking > address*; > * the initiator may not even realize that's where their message went. > > Solution: > * make it more difficult to email all projects' private lists and easier to > email all projects' public lists; > * despite some people's reservations, contacting dev lists does seem to be > the consensus; see 2b below; > * make it more clear what any obvious-looking address* is actually for. > > PRIMARY PROPOSAL: > > 1a. drop the existing four-letter obvious-looking address* > - because its name is misleading which (I think) leads people to mis-use it.
The address is an alias which forwards to all the project private lists. There is an equivalent alias for all the podling private lists (additional letter 'p' at the start). > 1b. create an easier way to email all the projects about a public matter > - introduce an obvious-looking address* that contains '-public', that goes > to all dev lists; more details in my earlier mail; However not all projects have a single dev@ list; some may not have one at all. This will make it trickier to create and maintain the aliases. > Additional proposals: > > 2a. document some guidelines on how to mass-email dev lists without upsetting > recipients, as have been noted elsewhere in this thread. +1 > 2b. add a way to contact all PMCs about a private matter, > - perhaps an obvious-looking address* that contains '-private' > - ONLY if needed: this might be sufficiently rare as to not be needed; This currently exists (see above); but perhaps the alias could be renamed. If it is decided to have public and private aliases for the projects/podlings, then the existing short aliases could be changed to return a bounce message giving details of the new aliases. > (* By request, to try to reduce spam, I'm deliberately obfuscating the > "obvious-looking address". I'm sorry that that makes it harder to follow. See > start of thread for plain disclosure.) > > -- > - Julian > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
