+1 for Ted's approach. I'm young in terms of ASF years, but I've found it to be very apolitical. Recently it's actually been a refreshing departure from what seems like an avalanche. It seems most people here seem to check their personal beliefs at the door.
My guess is that it is a case of innocence, but a follow up with information about cultural sensitivities seems prudent. -Taylor > On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org> wrote: > > As Ted pointed out, it is an ancient symbol found in most Far East > mythology and the Hindu religion. "Out here" you will find it quite often, > on shops, temples and business cards. It doesn't "carry weight" unless it > comes in black on white, with the Nazi proportions of widths. The Nazi one > was also at an angle. > > We all know that in this instance, there is no malignant intent, and should > not require any action. > > And we have not had any case of "red and black" and "something needs to be > said" as far as I know. > > But the 'solution' is relatively simple; ASF is a non-political > organization, and expression of political views (such as showing political > allegiance, berating political figures, commenting on political activity, > and so on) is not acceptable, regardless if that is a hate organization > like the Nazis or more moderate political statements that many may agree > with, say recent elections in the world or outbreaks of war. We should not > be involved, I think we are even obliged by Law to not be involved. > > Cheers > Niclas > >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Andrew Palumbo <ap....@outlook.com> wrote: >> >> I am pretty new around here and don't know if this is a more private room >> for ASF members .. but my .02: of it is in red and black, then something >> needs to be said. >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> >> Date: 01/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00) >> To: dev@community.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Profile photos and ASF values >> >> Yeah... I twitched when I saw that. >> >> My suspicion is that this is being used in the ancient, pre-nazi sense. >> >> It is hard to believe that somebody is ignorant of the impact it must have >> on some readers. >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Christopher <ctubb...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> It is surprising to me that a certain individual participant in ASF >> forums >>> seems to be using a swastika as their Google profile photo. The impact of >>> this is that ASF users which use GMail to interact with the mailing >> lists, >>> are presented with this swastika whenever reading or interacting with ASF >>> forums using GMail. >>> >>> To be clear, this symbol can have alternate meanings, and it may not be >>> intentionally being used as Nazi symbol. Additionally, even if this >>> individual holds to certain ideologies which may be antithetical to ASF >>> community inclusive values, they may act entirely professional and in >>> accordance with ASF code of conduct on Apache forums. So, I don't want to >>> imply that the profile photo is indicative of their ASF interactions... >> it >>> may be an entirely separate thing. >>> >>> My main inquiry here is to question whether or not there is a concern, >>> because the use of such profile photos may actually have consequences of >>> deterring potential new committers, because Apache may be indicted by >>> association. >>> >>> Is there something we wish to do about this? Is it a non-issue? I really >>> don't know. All I know, is my gut tells me that I'm bothered when I see >> it >>> (I use GMail). But, I don't want to overreact, or start a witch hunt. I'm >>> genuinely curious if this is something we want to address at all. >>> >>> If the profile photo is used on ASF infrastructure (JIRA, affiliated as a >>> member of the Apache org on GitHub, etc.), then I think we probably do >> want >>> to address it in the Code of Conduct. However, unrelated services like >>> Google profile photos... that may not be something we want to address, >>> because the web mail client users use is not related to ASF services >> (even >>> if it were know for user that it impacted ASF community by deterring >>> potential new community members). >>> >>> In any case, I don't raise this issue to demean the individual whose >>> profile photo came to my attention... this is not an attack on them. >> Again, >>> this is not a witch hunt. >>> -- >>> Christopher >>> >> > > > > -- > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer > http://polygene.apache.org <http://zest.apache.org> - New Energy for Java --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
