On 12/06/2016 07:26 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz > <bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >> Hi Rich, >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: >>> ...I think it's >>> fine for us, as a PMC in the most important open source organization on >>> the planet, to have a similar level of rigor... >> >> I'm +0 on better defining the goals of comdev - meaning I think it's a >> good idea but I don't have time to contribute much to that myself at >> the moment. >> >> However I think we should not make people feel bad if they cannot help >> as much as we or they would like to, by setting unrealistic goals. >> >> Like any Apache project, comdev must enjoy whatever value its >> contributors add, while making it clear that people are free to >> contribute as much or as little as they are willing and able. >> >> I hope we agree on that and I think we do, I'm just slightly worried >> that your initiative might be interpreted in the wrong way. > > I'd like to strongly echo Bertrand here. To me, ComDev is first, and foremost > an ASF's braintrust if you will of things that have to do with > community development, > governance and all around non-coding. It is a place to come and ask > for advice, etc. > > Of course, anything we can do to clean up documentation or provide > better guidance > is welcome, but I don't think ComDev is responsible for community > development of ASF > the same way that Rich is responsible for it at his day job. It is the > same way with Incubator. > IPMC is not really in business of making sure there's a steady > pipeline of projects -- we're > just there to help (and do our best!) when there's a steady pipeline.
I don't believe the IPMC's job is to create projects, and I don't think that's stated anywhere? The task of ComDev IS to promote participation and develop communities, so having a strategy and some measurements on whether what we're doing even falls within ComDev's mission seems right to me. Of course it's not responsible to the entirety of the ASF's communities - no one has stated that anywhere - but it has a mission nonetheless, and the PMC should try to adhere to that mission. I might ask; What else is the purpose of this PMC? Why have a PMC, if the PMC is unwilling to do anything but their own individual interests with seemingly little to no regard to whether it's within the mission and reason behind ComDev. It's supposed to be a Project Management Committee, and yet we're reluctant to manage anything here. I for one would very much like for that to change. I would like to see PMC members being proactive, engaged and discussing what we are doing, whether it helps the project's mission, and what we can improve upon. Being on this PMC should not be a vanity plate, it should be an active role with responsibilities as with any other committee in the foundation. And lastly, I think getting some measurements (whether they be qualitative or quantitative) on what we've been doing so far is an important first step to figuring out if we are doing the right thing. Much like testing your software after you've written the code or gaging if your national school system is providing educated children. If it doesn't work at all, you do your best to fix it. With regards, Daniel. > > Thanks, > Roman (as a ComDev PMC member). > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
