The multiple perspectives on this topic all seem to have some validity. However, I do think we can do better at making people feel comfortable with the Apache culture. For the large part Apache has a lot of well established members who are experts in many topic areas and well versed in the Apache way. For a new comer, entry into this culture is often not a very welcoming experience. People using the wrong terminology perceive that they are being told that they need to learn the culture or they needn't bother to tread on our turf. People with ideas that have already been tried perceive that they are being told "been there, done that, go away". I'm pretty sure that this is largely the result of the isolation from direct contact that mailing lists entail. Over the years, the most important thing I've learned is that one should always sit on any reactive response to any individual for at least several hours before hitting send. So, to the extent that we can create verbiage that teaches people how to be considerate in an online community I'm all for it. Telling someone to be kind doesn't generally work, few people are trying to be mean. Telling someone how to be kind might get some traction. Peter Hunsberger
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com> wrote: > > > On 11/15/16, 9:03 AM, "Patricia Shanahan" <p...@acm.org> wrote: > >>That should be "example of undesirable behavior". One could obviously >>write a rule that prohibits using words with more than three syllables >>in e-mails. > > Personally, I don't think "rules", "standards" and "policies" are in play > here. The CoC describes what is truly out-of-bounds, but I generally > agree with Noah that there is a lot of stuff that is in-bounds that still > makes participating at Apache an uncomfortable and/or unhappy experience. > But I can't imagine ever achieving consensus on codifying what that is. > > I don't think most cultures ever do codify such a thing. I haven't seen a > set of rules for the US or Japan. I think cultures socially encourage and > discourage certain behavior to reach a certain result. I would like to > welcome Noah back, and am saddened that some of these emails could easily > be seen as unwelcoming by many people, including myself. Apache mailing > lists often feel like one of those bars in the rough part of town that I > am too chicken to go into. Obviously, enough people frequent those bars > to keep them in business so they aren't violating any rules. I just wish > Apache mailing lists were more like family-friendly restaurants. If an > 11-year-old hot-shot coder wanted to participate in an ASF project, I > would feel compelled to warn them and his/her parents that the tone on > many mailing lists is not family-friendly. I wish I didn't feel that way. > I don't understand why it has to be this way. > > -Alex > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
