Ted I think apache can help you with some needs, but not all. Apache is enthusiastic about helping people interact with our English-centric mailing lists. Apache would likely help you figure out how to set up Chinese language open source projects as well.
I don't understand if that is what you want. You say "within apache". But I also thought you wanted to help developers who don't have enough English. It sounds like you need more than one answer to more than one question. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 21, 2015, at 19:24, Ted Liu <t...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > Our initiative wants/desires to be inside of ASF as close as possible and to > avoid any trademark violation. If it is a no-go, I guess the volunteer group > here will still do the right things to help enable and motivate developers > and projects, with or without ASF’s trademark/banner. > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Gardler [mailto:ross.gard...@microsoft.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 6:46 PM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Cc: nic...@hedhman.org > Subject: RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China > Community > > Why do those pioneers need a place outside of the ASF to do that? If they do > need a place outside the ASF why does it need an Apache logo on it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lei Chang [mailto:chang.lei...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:17 AM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Cc: nic...@hedhman.org > Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China > Community > > +1 for a formal community project in China. > > There are some experiences I can share when some apache committers in China > are developing the community for Apache HAWQ (in incubation). > > A wechat group was created, and there are many people who are very active at > ask questions and contributing ideas. This is a kind of very difficult to > happen with some Chinese native guys discussing in English. There are about 5 > million college graduates each year in China, and i think there is a great > potential to increase the number of contributors from Apache community in > China. > > Developing an Apache community in China needs some pioneers to get together, > discuss, directs and organize the meetups, conferences. It would be very > helpful to have a formal Apache community project set up to work on this. > > Cheers > Lei > > >> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Ted Liu <t...@microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Niclas, >> >> It'd be appreciated an open and constructive discussion can be formed >> at ASF instead of labeling or stereotyping. The ask of forming of a >> community, group or alike in China comes from the grass-root idea and >> action because there are strong demands here. Otherwise nobody would >> care and nobody could be instructed or directed. That’s the reason why >> a group of Chinese ASF members, PMC members, committers, contributors, >> etc., want to work together voluntarily to change the status quo by >> bridging the Chinese talents and good projects to/from ASF. The >> motivation and enablement of the local community/group will be mainly >> from the experienced Chinese ASF members, committers and contributors, >> who people will trust, instead of any individual new to ASF. >> >> Talking about the language barrier, you should already know how >> difficult it is to learn Chinese after living 4+ years in Shanghai. >> One recent example is that literally no one from the Apache Fans >> Wechat social group >> (360 people now) responded to your proposal, in English, to hold a >> technical meetup in Shanghai. Your ASF status and the fact of your >> location in Shanghai do not automatically translate into trust and >> effective communication to enable and motivate people's actions. The >> wait of a good machine translation is an unknown that younger >> generation contributors would not tolerate. >> >> The more challenging part is the culture differences where the sense >> of community, governance, contribution and the Apache Way are still at >> infant stage in China. There are more than enough good codes and >> events (conferences, meetups, etc.) in China. The real blockers are >> language and non-Apache-Way culture where the proposed China >> community/group can contribute. >> >> >> Ted >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:hedh...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:02 PM >> To: dev@community.apache.org >> Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache >> China Community >> >> Ted, >> 2 things... >> >> 1. There were Apache Roadshows in Shanghai in 2010 and 2011. >> >> 2. I am glad to see your enthusiasm of forming/creating organization. >> But the ASF and many other open source projects are not >> command&control driven top-down structures. So, there is very little >> "need" for "creation of communities". They either form, or they don't. >> >> I was happy to see that the younger generation at the Roadshow in >> Beijing grasped that idea very well, whereas the somewhat older >> generation had a more top-down approach, of wanting to build it like a >> company, like a government or a religious organization. I hope that >> you can appreciate the difference and channel your enthusiasm slightly >> differently. >> >> Like you, I think language barrier is currently a big barrier, but I >> have first hand witnessed the improvements in online translation >> services in the past few years. Enormous improvement. Perhaps we are >> soon at a stage where this can be an additional tool to bridge this gap. >> >> My suggestions are towards localized meetups, where discussion, >> hacking, presentations are conducted, by the participants, for the >> participants, a peer-to-peer environment. Apache doesn't need to be >> formally involved in this, but I am sure many Apache contributors >> would be happy to participate, as peers, in such events/clubs. And I >> am convinced this will spin off both projects as well as dieect contribution >> to ASF and other projects. >> >> Be an igniter, not a driver. Ignite many small efforts, instead of >> single big one. >> >> Keep up the positive work. >> >> Niclas >> >>> On Nov 21, 2015 13:18, "Ted Liu" <t...@microsoft.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Apache Community Development PMC, >>> >>> Wish to get some advices on how to form a community of Apache fans >>> in China. Would a new China-specific project at the ComDev be possible? >>> Please see the background and thoughts outlined below. >>> >>> Apache projects and technologies have been widely adopted in China, >>> such as Alibaba, Tencent, many enterprises, academic and public services. >>> However, there has been little engagement between ASF and >>> communities and enterprises in China. We, at KAIYUANSHE >>> (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.kaiyuanshe.o >>> rg >>> &data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7cf7d98c230084457b6ef4 >>> 08 >>> d2f241b3ef%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=c9Ihr4CJ2iFC >>> sX >>> asJ0NpZBeqxTGgpQ638b2fQFrfo1Y%3d< >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww. >>> ka >>> iyuanshe.org&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7cf7d98c23 >>> 00 >>> 84457b6ef408d2f241b3ef%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata= >>> KN IsmJKqH2jG993HWWcVyKGZluqQVmuBHqxi7RC1YeM%3d>, the first >>> ground-up open source alliance chartered to promote open source >>> governance and technologies in China and Asia with over 50 community >>> and enterprise members now) wish to bridge the gaps between the >>> leading international >> OSS communities, like ASF, and communities and enterprises in China. >> The last Apache roadshow was on 2009 in Shanghai. We, KAIYUANSHE, >> thought it'd be good to reboot the ASF engagement through another roadshow >> in China. >>> >>> The Apache Roadshow 2015 - China with KAIYUANSHE was organized by >>> KAIYUANSHE and successfully held on Oct. 24-25 in Beijing with ASF's >>> community sponsorship and keynoters support, i.e. Brett Porter, >>> David Nalley, Niclas Hedhman, J. Aaron Farr and Jason Dai. 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So far, there already are many >>> volunteers, including Apache members, PMC members, committers, >>> contributors, developers and users, who are willing to join the >>> China community steering committee and working groups to help grow >>> the talents, projects and community in China and bridge between ASF >>> and the fans in >> China following the Apache way. >>> >>> Any feedback or advice on how to form a community of Apache fans in >>> China or how to form a new China-specific project at the ComDev >>> would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Ted Liu >>> Co-organizer of the Apache Roadshow 2015 - China Co-founding member >>> of KAIYUANSHE >>
