It should be an LF call not an ASF one. Sent from my Windows Phone ________________________________ From: Niclas Hedhman<mailto:nic...@hedhman.org> Sent: 2/4/2015 7:08 AM To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed
Regarding "commercial" or "advertising" presentations; Why should we reject these outright? Why not allocate a track for corporations to present whatever they like, in 20, 30 or 60 min blocks? And auction out those slots. Either there is a market, or there is not... And/or combine them with on-site sponsorship programs, of booths, give-aways and so on. Stallman wouldn't do this, but we are said to be business-friendly, are we not? Cheers Niclas On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:27 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 02/03/2015 04:11 AM, jan i wrote: > > > >> We should really make that clear to people, I strongly believe the > general > >> opinion is non-project talks are not welcome. I base this on the fact > >> that > >> a number of talks for Denver and Budapest was rejected for being too > >> company like. > >> > >> When I started helping a year ago, I had ideas about having 2 tracks (or > >> the talks scattered around) > >> - User (including companies) experiences with ASF projects > >> - Companies presenting solutions based on ASF projects > >> > >> I quickly learned that that was not the purpose of ApacheCON, I am very > >> trilled if that is the way we want to go because that is a real way to > get > >> AC to grow again. > >> > > > > For several years, we had a strong business track, where the implications > > of The Apache Way to business (legal, marketing, planning, community, > > whatever) were discussed. This just took someone to step up and make it > > happen. > > > > If someone comes to me tomorrow with a business track, complete with > > content, we'll schedule it. Sally used to handle this, and with her > > contacts was able to provide really strong content. There was indeed > > resistance to this, because it's "not about Apache projects", but that is > > very open to interpretation, and, in the end, it strengthened the > community > > as a whole. > > > Once we get ACNA scheduled I will talk with Sally and also come with ideas > for early (before/during CFP) press releases for ACEU. > > I am very convinced that a business track, will sell more tickets and maybe > also attract some new sponsors. > > rgds > jan i > > > > > But, we can't schedule talks that aren't submitted. > > > > > > > >> LF cannot market this message alone, they need clear public statements > >> from > >> us, that we want companies to come and present. I am convinced that if > we > >> (e.g. for ACEU) make early press releases about wanting companies to > talk, > >> tell it to LF, then we will be a lot more successful. > >> > > > > +1 > > > > > > > >> If we just relax, and hope LF can lift that alone we will fail and keep > >> telling each other how great projects we have ( which happens to be the > >> truth, but maybe not the whole truth). > >> > > > > Yep. If we keep talking to just ourselves, we'll ... keep talking to just > > ourselves. > > > > -- > > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > > > > > -- > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. > -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
