On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Procedurally speaking, I see no reason for this community to hold any > vote at all. > > If a small group of people, including a foundation member or two, > wants to ask the board to establish a TLP, they may, by writing a > coherent proposal to the board explaining the situation. The board > might ask for a filled-in incubator proposal as input to their > deliberations. > > Or, of they wish to go into the incubator to try to build a viable > community that will get TLP status in time, they can write an > incubator proposal. > > The board or IPMC might wonder about the state of affairs here when > they receive one of these proposals, but it's hardly a matter that > calls for a formal vote here. > Yes, I agree, but the discussion to gather those people together needs to take place somewhere and since here its been framed as a vote, then it would be good if those people who want to participate in a TLP effort would do so in this thread. Niall On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Gilles <gil...@harfang.homelinux.org> > wrote: > >> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:33:58 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> >>> -1 (non-binding) >>> >>> Reason for objection: >>> >>> I think the framing of this vote is confusing. >>> >>> 1. There appears to be less ability to go to TLP than there was at >>> the time the previous motion passed. >>> >>> 2. The discussion (but not the [VOTE]) speaks of going to TLP via >>> the incubator. It has to be one or the other. Propose a podling to >>> Incubator or propose a TLP to the Board. There is no assurance that a >>> podling will graduate and it doesn't fit to make that a condition. >>> One could raise the special circumstances at general-incubator, but I >>> think that works best with something specific (but malleable) in hand. >>> >>> 3. The Incubator is reluctant to start podlings from scratch, as >>> Niall observes. >>> >> >> Could you please expand on how 3 Commons PMC members and 3 would-be >> contributors are assimilated to "scratch"? >> > > It would be good if all those wanting to be part of a Math TLP could > indicate that here and cast a vote for a Math TLP. Including yourself > Gilles, since so far I don't remember seeing whether you that you were in > favour of this. > > Niall > > > >> >> Thanks, >> Gilles >> >> >> 4. It seems to me that the best first-step on whether incubation is >>> feasible is to do the work to create an incubation proposal. This >>> will require certain key factors to be addressed. Not the least is >>> how the code base will be imported and, because it is from an Apache >>> Project, how it will be left behind too. That definition can start >>> here and then be refined on the general-incubator list where one will >>> need to find a champion (perhaps), mentors, and a sufficient body of >>> initial committers. It is important for those who would form the >>> initial core for a podling to learn enough about how incubation works. >>> >>> - Dennis >>> >>> Disclosure: >>> >>> I have no idea how this might go. I am not a Commons Math >>> subject-matter expert, even though computational mathematics has some >>> appeal for me. I still have my bound "Collect Algorithms from ACM, >>> Volume 1: Algorithms 1-220." I did not hold onto the microfiche of >>> later algorithms that were published in conjunction with the ACM >>> Transactions on Mathematical Software (TOMS). The latest (Algorithm >>> 959) is interesting although I have no idea where to find the code and >>> am dismayed that it is a library under the GPL. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:niall.pember...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:56 >>>> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)... >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:39 AM, James Carman >>>> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > We would take math through the incubator in order to build community >>>> around >>>> > it first. If we fail to do so, then we can decide its fate at that >>>> time. We >>>> > haven't done a good job attracting new people to math here at all. It >>>> has >>>> > always been maintained primarily by a select few. >>>> > >>>> >>>> It made sense to me when there were 6 committers working on Math, but I >>>> think given the exodus of most of those people to hipparchus then it >>>> would >>>> be better to wait a while for the dust to settle to see what happens >>>> with >>>> Math. >>>> >>>> I also don't think the incubator is a good place for starting a >>>> community >>>> from scratch (i.e. one or two man projects) - if you have a nucleus of >>>> at >>>> least a few people, then it has much better chance of success. >>>> >>>> So for me, I'm -1 unless there are enough Mathematicians who want to >>>> work >>>> on the code to give it a chance as an incubator project. >>>> >>>> Niall >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:36 AM Ralph Goers >>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > > -1 (binding) >>>> > > >>>> > > At least until there are enough people to have a viable PMC. >>>> > > >>>> > > Ralph >>>> > > >>>> > > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:47 PM, James Carman >>>> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> >>>> > > wrote: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Since it has been suggested that the previously passing vote >>>> should be >>>> > > > voided, I propose we vote again to move Commons Math to a TLP: >>>> > > > >>>> > > > +1 - Yes, move Commons Math to a TLP >>>> > > > -1 - No, do not move Commons Math to a TLP >>>> > > > >>>> > > > The vote will remain open for 72 hours. >>>> > > > >>>> > > > Thank you, >>>> > > > >>>> > > > James Carman >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> - >>>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
