Hi Andy!

> Jena can (and does) support multiple APIs over a common core.
> 
> A commons-rdf API can be added along side the existing APIs; that means 
> it is not a "big bang" to have commons-rdf interfaces supported.

That's great! Would the commons-rdf dependency go in jena-core/pom.xml? Is it 
going to be necessary to change some classes in the core? I think it will be 
transparent for other modules like ARQ, Fuseki, Text. Is that right?

> There is a lot more to working with RDF than the RDF API part - SPARQL 
> engines don't use that API if they want performance and/or scale. (1) 
> SPARQL queries collections of graphs and (2) for scale+persistence, you 
> need to work in parts at a level somewhat lower level than java objects, 
> and closer to the binary of persistence structures.

Good point. I'm enjoying learning about Jena code for JENA-632. Even though 
datasets, streaming queries collections and all that part about journaling and 
graph persistence can be a bit scary. Probably that won't be covered in the 
commons-rdf, but I think that's correct.

Thanks!
Bruno


----- Original Message -----
> From: Andy Seaborne <a...@apache.org>
> To: dev@commons.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [ALL][RDF] github Commons RDF vs. Apache Commons Sandbox RDF
> 
> On 15/01/15 11:52, Bruno P. Kinoshita wrote:
> 
>>  Hello!
>> 
>> 
>>  I feel like I can't help much in the current discussion. But just 
> wanted to chime in
>>  and tell that I'm +1 for a [rdf] component in Apache Commons. As a 
> commons committer I'd
>>  like to help.
>> 
>>  I started watching the GitHub repository and have subscribed to the ongoing 
> discussion. I'll
>> 
>>  tryto contribute in some way; maybe testing and with small patches.
>> 
>> 
>>  My go-to Maven dependency for RDF, Turtle, N3, working with ontologies, 
> reasoners, etc,
>> 
>>  is Apache Jena. I think it would be very positive to have a common 
> interface that I could
>>  use in my code (mainly crawlers and data munging for Hadoop jobs) and that 
> would work
>> 
>>  with different implementations.
>> 
>> 
>>  Thanks!
>> 
>>  Bruno
> 
> Since you mention Jena ... :-)
> 
> Jena can (and does) support multiple APIs over a common core.
> 
> A commons-rdf API can be added along side the existing APIs; that means 
> it is not a "big bang" to have commons-rdf interfaces supported.
> 
> There is a lot more to working with RDF than the RDF API part - SPARQL 
> engines don't use that API if they want performance and/or scale. (1) 
> SPARQL queries collections of graphs and (2) for scale+persistence, you 
> need to work in parts at a level somewhat lower level than java objects, 
> and closer to the binary of persistence structures.
> 
>     Andy
> 
> 
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