Phil,
You definitely have a point, but nothing helps build a development
community than seeing releases go out.
"I want to be part of that"
If there's no idea if or even when another version of a library will go
out, especially one that's hasn't released in a while, it deflates
possible joiners.
Even if we *just* released generized versions of the existing versions
and nothing else, that would be really helpful, i think, in pulling in
more help.
--dave
On 10/06/2013 04:53 PM, Phil Steitz wrote:
On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for
Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had
generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to get releases out?
I may be in the minority here, but I think the real problem is too many components for
too few "committed committers". The release process has always been a little
bit of a pain in the butt, but I've never felt blocked by it. What has taken so long on
pool/DBCP is that it is just Mark and I really digging into the code and we are both busy
with other stuff / have limited time to work on it. Like some other components, the code
is also kind of specialized and the documentation is not the best, making it harder for
others to get involved. Collections went nowhere for a couple of years because no one
stepped up to drive it. Thankfully Thomas did recently and we got a 4.0 beta. The best
thing anyone can do to get a real 4.0 out is start actually coding on it.
I honestly think we are making excuses in this thread - the real problem is
dwindling component communities. We need to decide which ones to ale dormant
and make it easier for people to get involved in the active ones.
S/ale/make (love that iPhone :)
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote:
Collections 4.x, nuff said
Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about
math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They
will get released. There is activity. I don't get the big problem
here.
Phil
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adrian Crum
<adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote:
I would like to know the metrics for that conclusion. I see plenty of
discussions and commits, but I'm not seeing any languishing.
Adrian Crum
Sandglass Software
www.sandglass-software.com
On 10/6/2013 11:30 AM, James Carman wrote:
All,
The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we
need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission
as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish?
Who are our users/customers? What non-functional qualities do we want
our software to exhibit? How do we want to conduct ourselves? How
often do we want to do releases? What else?
Sincerely,
James
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