> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:51 PM, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote: > > So, would you say we have a problem attracting new committers or are > our current committers just losing interest (or a combination of > both)?
I think it's both, but the first is natural / will always be happening. It's the second that we should focus on IMO - getting new people involved and progressing to become committers. Fattening up the subcommunities by existing committers agreeing to focus on a smaller number of components might help if that is possible. And being more open to Christian's points on new approaches / major branches. Phil > >> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 12:00 PM, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The fact that it has taken so long before we got something out for >>> Collections 4.x is just an embarrassment. How long has Java had >>> generics? What could be causing us to be so slow to get releases out? >> >> I may be in the minority here, but I think the real problem is too many >> components for too few "committed committers". The release process has >> always been a little bit of a pain in the butt, but I've never felt blocked >> by it. What has taken so long on pool/DBCP is that it is just Mark and I >> really digging into the code and we are both busy with other stuff / have >> limited time to work on it. Like some other components, the code is also >> kind of specialized and the documentation is not the best, making it harder >> for others to get involved. Collections went nowhere for a couple of years >> because no one stepped up to drive it. Thankfully Thomas did recently and >> we got a 4.0 beta. The best thing anyone can do to get a real 4.0 out is >> start actually coding on it. >> >> I honestly think we are making excuses in this thread - the real problem is >> dwindling component communities. We need to decide which ones to ale >> dormant and make it easier for people to get involved in the active ones. >> >> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote: >>>>> Collections 4.x, nuff said >>>> >>>> Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about >>>> math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They >>>> will get released. There is activity. I don't get the big problem >>>> here. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Adrian Crum >>>>> <adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: >>>>>> I would like to know the metrics for that conclusion. I see plenty of >>>>>> discussions and commits, but I'm not seeing any languishing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adrian Crum >>>>>> Sandglass Software >>>>>> www.sandglass-software.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/6/2013 11:30 AM, James Carman wrote: >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Apache Commons project seems to be languishing as of late and we >>>>>>> need some rejuvenation. Perhaps we should try to define our mission >>>>>>> as a project. What are our goals? What do we want to accomplish? >>>>>>> Who are our users/customers? What non-functional qualities do we want >>>>>>> our software to exhibit? How do we want to conduct ourselves? How >>>>>>> often do we want to do releases? What else? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
