Its a=0 that bothers me. x > 0 in my case. In the code I use, the DerivativeStructure evaluates to NaN for a=0 when x > 0 . I think we agree that in this condition the derivative should evaluate to 0.
Perhaps I wrote something to mislead you on this detail. -Ajo On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Luc Maisonobe <luc.maison...@free.fr>wrote: > Hi Ajo, > > Le 28/08/2013 16:56, Ajo Fod a écrit : > > To define things precisely: > > y = f(a,x) = |a|^x > > > > Can we agree that: > > df(a,x)/dx -> 0 when a->0 and x > 0 :[ NOTE: x > 0] > > Yes, of course, it is perfectly true. > > > > > If this is acceptable, we get this very useful property that df (a,x)/dx > is > > defined and continuous for all a provided x>0 because we use the modulus > of > > a in the function definition. > > Yes, as long as we don't have x = 0, we remain in a smooth, indefinitely > differentiable domain. > > > In optimization, with this patch at |a|=0, I > > can set an optimizer to search the whole real line without worrying about > > a=0 otherwise I've to look out for a=0 explicitly. It seems unnecessary > to > > add a constraint to make |a|>0. I already have a constraint for x >0. > > I don't understand what you mean here. If you already know that x > 0, > then you don't have to worry about a=0 or a>0 since in this case both > approaches lead to the same result. > > If you look at the graph for df(a,x)/dx for a few values of a, you will > see that we have: > > lim a->0+ df(a,x)/dx = 0 for x > 0 > lim a->0+ df(a,x)/dx = -infinity for x = 0 > > and this despite df(a,x)/dx = ln(a) a^x is a continuous function, > indefinitely differentiable. The limit of a continuous indefinitely > differentiable function may be a non continuous function. It is a > counter-intuitive result, I agree, but thre are many other examples of > such strange behaviour in mathematics (if I remember well, Fourier > transforms of step function exhibit the same paroble, backward). > > If you have x>0, you are already on the safe side of the singularity, so > this is were I lose your tracks and don't understand how the singular > point x=0 bothers you. > > best regards, > Luc > > > > > Cheers, > > Ajo. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Luc Maisonobe <luc.maison...@free.fr > >wrote: > > > >> Hi Ajo, > >> > >> Le 27/08/2013 16:44, Ajo Fod a écrit : > >>> Thanks for the constant structure. > >>> > >>> No. The limit value when x->0+ is 1, not O. > >>> > >>> I agree with this. I was just going for the derivatives = 0. > >>> > >>> > >>>> The nth derivative of a^x can be computed analytically as ln(a)^n a^x, > >>>> so the initial slope at x=0 is simply ln(a), positive for a > 1, zero > >>>> for a = 1, negative for 0 < a < 1 with a limit at -inifnity when a -> > >> 0+. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Lets think about this for a sec: > >>> Derivative of |a|^x wrt x at x=2.0 for various values of a > >>> Derivative@0.031250=-0.003384 > >>> Derivative@0.015625=-0.001015 > >>> Derivative@0.007813=-0.000296 > >>> Derivative@0.003906=-0.000085 > >>> Derivative@0.001953=-0.000024 > >>> ... tends to 0 > >> > >> yes, because 2.0 > 0. > >> > >>> > >>> Derivative of |a|^x wrt x at x=0.5 for various values of a > >>> Derivative@0.031250=-0.612555 > >>> Derivative@0.007813=-0.428759 > >>> Derivative@0.001953=-0.275612 > >>> Derivative@0.000488=-0.168418 > >>> Derivative@0.000122=-0.099513 > >>> Derivative@0.000031=-0.057407 > >>> Derivative@0.000008=-0.032528 > >>> Derivative@0.000002=-0.018176 > >>> ... tends to 0 when a->0 > >> > >> yes because 0.5 > 0. > >> > >>> > >>> The code I used for the print outs is: > >>> static final double EPS = 0.0001d; > >>> > >>> public static void main(final String[] args) { > >>> final double x = 0.5d; > >>> int from = 5; > >>> int to = 20; > >>> System.out.println("Derivative of |a|^x wrt x at x=" + x); > >>> for (int p = from; p < to; p+=2) { > >>> double a = Math.pow(2d, -p); > >>> final double calc = (Math.pow(a, x + EPS) - Math.pow(a, > x)) / > >>> EPS; > >>> System.out.format("Derivative@%f=%f \n", a, calc); > >>> } > >>> } > >>> > >>> As for the x=0 case: > >>> 1^0 = 1 > >>> 0.5^0 = 1 > >>> 0.0001^0 = 1 > >>> 0^0 is technically undefined, but 1 is a good definition: > >>> http://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/10005.3-5.shtml > >> > >> Yes. > >> > >>> ... so, a good value for the differential of da^x/dx limit x->0 and > >> a->0 = > >>> 0 > >> > >> I don't agree. What you wrote in the lines above is another way to say > >> what I wrote in my previous message: the value at x=0 is always y=1, and > >> the value for x > 0 tends to 0 as a->0+. > >> > >> So the function always starts at 1 and dives more and more steeply as a > >> becomes smaller, and the derivative at 0 becomes more and more negative, > >> up to -infinity, *not* 0. > >> > >> The function is ill-behaved and the fact the derivative is infinite is > >> consistent with this ill-behaviour. > >> > >> The definition of the derivative is : > >> > >> f'(x) = lim (f(x+h) - f(x))/h when h -> 0+ > >> > >> when f(x) = 0^x and assuming 0^0 = 1 as you have agreed above, this > gives: > >> > >> f'(0) = lim (0^(0+h) - 0^0)/h = lim (0 - 1)/h = -infinity > >> > >> which is exactly the same result as computing for a non-null a and then > >> reducing it: d(a^x)/dx = ln(a) a^x = ln(a) when x=0, diverges to > >> -infinity when a converges to 0. > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> As mentioned earlier, I think the cause for this is that log|a| -> > >> infinity > >>> slower than |a|^x -> 0 as |a|->0 . > >> > >> But a^x does *not* converge to 0 for x = 0! a^0 is always 1 (rigorously) > >> regardless of the value of a as long as it is not 0, and then when we > >> change a we can also consider the limit is 1 when a-> 0. This convention > >> is well accepted. This convention is implemented in the Java standard > >> Math.pow function, and we followed this trend. This is the reason why > >> the functions becomes more and more steep as a becomes smaller. At the > >> end, it is a discontinuous function (and hence should not be > >> differentiable, or it is differentiable only if we use extended real > >> numbers with infinity added). > >> > >> This is the heart of the ill-behaviour of 0^0. We want to compute it as > >> a limit value for a^b when both parameters converge to 0, but we get a > >> different result if we first set a fixed and converge b to 0, and later > >> reduce a down to zero (your approach), and when we do the opposite. In > >> one case we get 0, in the other case we get 1. > >> > >> Lets put it another way: > >> If we consider the derivative f'(0) should be 0, then the value f(0) > >> should also be considered equal to zero. This would mean as soon as we > >> get a tiny non-zero a (say the smallest number that can be represented > >> as a double), then f(0) would jump from 0 to 1 instantly, and f'(0) > >> would jump from 0 to -infinity instantly. So we would have at a = 0 an > >> initial null derivative, then a jump to a very negative derivative as a > >> leaves 0, then the derivative would become less and less negative as a > >> increase up to 1, at a=1 the derivative would again be 0, then the > >> derivative would continue to increase and becode positive as a grows > >> larger than 1 (all these derivatives are computed at x=0, and as written > >> previously, they are simply equal to log(a)). > >> > >> To summarize, the two choices are: > >> 1) - first considering a fixed a, strictly positive, > >> - then looking globally at the function a^x for all values x>=0, > >> - then reducing a, noting that all functions start at the same > >> point x=0, y=1 and the derivatives become more and more negative > >> as the function becomes more and more ill-behaved > >> 2) - first considering a fixed x, strictly positive, > >> - then reducing a and identifying the limit values is 0 for all a, > >> - then building a function by packing all the x>0, which is very > >> smooth as it is identically 0 for all x>0 > >> - finally adding the limit value at x=0, which in this case would > >> be 0 (and the derivative would also be 0). > >> > >> it seems well accepted to consider the value of 0^0 should be set to 1, > >> and as a consequence the corresponding derivative with respect to x > >> should be set to -infinity. > >> > >> I fully agree it is not a perfect solution, it is an arbitrary choice. > >> However, this choice is consistent with what all implementations of the > >> pow function I have seen (i.e. 0^0 set to 1 instead of 0). > >> > >> Your approach is not wrong, it is as valid as the other one. It is > >> simply not the common choice. > >> > >> I would say an even better choice would have been to say 0^0 *is not* > >> defined and even the value should be set to NaN (not even speaking of > >> the derivative). > >> > >> Does this seem acceptable to you? > >> > >> best regards, > >> Luc > >> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Ajo. > >>> > >>> > >>>> The limit curve corresponding to a = 0 is therefore a singular > function > >>>> with f(0) = 1 and f(x) = 0 for all x > 0. The fact f(0) = 1 and not 0 > is > >>>> consistent with the derivative being negative infinity, as by > definition > >>>> the derivative is the limit of [f(0+h) - f(0)] / h when h->0+, as the > >>>> finite difference is -1/h. > >>>> > >>>>> } > >>>>> }else{ > >>>>> for (int i = 0; i < function.length; ++i) { > >>>>> function[i] = Double.NaN; > >>>>> } > >>>> > >>>> This alternative case is a good improvement, thanks for it. I forgot > to > >>>> handle negative cases properly. I have therefore changed the code > >>>> (committed as r1517788) with this improvement, together with several > >>>> test cases. > >>>> > >>>>> } > >>>>> } else { > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> in place of : > >>>>> > >>>>> if (a == 0) { > >>>>> if (operand[operandOffset] == 0) { > >>>>> function[0] = 1; > >>>>> double infinity = Double.POSITIVE_INFINITY; > >>>>> for (int i = 1; i < function.length; ++i) { > >>>>> infinity = -infinity; > >>>>> function[i] = infinity; > >>>>> } > >>>>> } > >>>>> } else { > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> PS: I think you made a change to DSCompiler.pow too. If so, what > >> happens > >>>>> when a=0 & x!=0 in that function? > >>>> > >>>> No, I didn't change the other signatures of the pow function. So the > >>>> value should be OK (i.e. 1) but all derivatives, including the first > >>>> one, should be NaN. What the new function brings is a correct negetive > >>>> infinity first derivative at singularity point, better accuracy for > >>>> non-singular points, and possibly faster computation. > >>>> > >>>> best regards, > >>>> Luc > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Luc Maisonobe <l...@spaceroots.org> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ajo Fod <ajo....@gmail.com> a écrit : > >>>>>>> Are you saying patched the code? Can you provide the link? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I committed it in the development version. You just have to update > >> your > >>>>>> checked out copy from either the official > >>>>>> Apache subversion repository or the git mirror we talked about in a > >>>>>> previous thread. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The new method is a static one called pow and taking a and x as > >>>> arguments > >>>>>> and returning a^x. Not to > >>>>>> Be confused with the non-static methods that take only the power as > >>>>>> argument (either int, double or > >>>>>> DerivativeStructure) and use the instance as the base to apply power > >> on. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>> Luc > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -Ajo > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Luc Maisonobe <l...@spaceroots.org > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Le 24/08/2013 11:24, Luc Maisonobe a écrit : > >>>>>>>>> Le 23/08/2013 19:20, Ajo Fod a écrit : > >>>>>>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Ajo, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> This shows one way of interpreting the derivative for strictly > +ve > >>>>>>>> numbers. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> public static void main(final String[] args) { > >>>>>>>>>> final double x = 1d; > >>>>>>>>>> DerivativeStructure dsA = new DerivativeStructure(1, 1, > 0, > >>>>>>> x); > >>>>>>>>>> System.out.println("Derivative of |a|^x wrt x"); > >>>>>>>>>> for (int p = 10; p < 21; p++) { > >>>>>>>>>> double a; > >>>>>>>>>> if (p < 20) { > >>>>>>>>>> a = 1d / Math.pow(2d, p); > >>>>>>>>>> } else { > >>>>>>>>>> a = 0d; > >>>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>>> final DerivativeStructure a_ds = new > >>>>>>> DerivativeStructure(1, > >>>>>>>> 1, > >>>>>>>>>> a); > >>>>>>>>>> final DerivativeStructure out = a_ds.pow(dsA); > >>>>>>>>>> final double calc = (Math.pow(a, x + EPS) - > >>>>>>> Math.pow(a, x)) > >>>>>>>> / > >>>>>>>>>> EPS; > >>>>>>>>>> System.out.format("Derivative@%f=%f %f\n", a, > calc, > >>>>>>>>>> out.getPartialDerivative(new int[]{1})); > >>>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> At this point I"m explicitly substituting the rule that > >>>>>>>> derivative(|a|^x) = > >>>>>>>>>> 0 for |a|=0. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yes, but this fails for x = 0, as the limit of the finite > >>>>>>> difference is > >>>>>>>>> -infinity and not 0. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You can build your own function which explicitly assumes a is > >>>>>>> constant > >>>>>>>>> and takes care of special values as follows: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> public static DerivativeStructure aToX(final double a, > >>>>>>>>> final DerivativeStructure > >>>>>>> x) { > >>>>>>>>> final double lnA = (a == 0 && x.getValue() == 0) ? > >>>>>>>>> Double.NEGATIVE_INFINITY : > >>>>>>>>> FastMath.log(a); > >>>>>>>>> final double[] function = new double[1 + x.getOrder()]; > >>>>>>>>> function[0] = FastMath.pow(a, x.getValue()); > >>>>>>>>> for (int i = 1; i < function.length; ++i) { > >>>>>>>>> function[i] = lnA * function[i - 1]; > >>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>> return x.compose(function); > >>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This will work and provides derivatives to any order for almost > any > >>>>>>>>> values of a and x, including a=0, x=1 as in your exemple, but > also > >>>>>>>>> slightly better for a=0, x=0. However, it still has an important > >>>>>>>>> drawback: it won't compute the n-th order derivative correctly > for > >>>>>>> a=0, > >>>>>>>>> x=0 and n > 1. It will provide NaN for these higher order > >>>>>>> derivatives > >>>>>>>>> instead of +/-infinity according to parity of n. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have added a similar function to the DerivativeStructure class > >>>>>>> (with > >>>>>>>> some errors above corrected). The main interesting property of > this > >>>>>>>> function is that it is more accurate that converting a to a > >>>>>>>> DerivativeStructure and using the general x^y function. It does > its > >>>>>>> best > >>>>>>>> to handle the special case, but as written above, this does NOT > work > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> general combination (i.e. more than one variable or more than one > >>>>>>>> order). As soon as there is a combination, the derivative will > >>>>>>> involve > >>>>>>>> something like df/dx * dg/dy and as infinities and zeros are > >>>>>>> everywheren > >>>>>>>> NaN appears immediately for these partial derivatives. This cannot > >> be > >>>>>>>> avoided. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If you stay away from the singularity, the function behaves > >>>>>>> correctly. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> best regards, > >>>>>>>> Luc > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> This is a known problem that we already encountered when dealing > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> rootN. Here is an extract of a comment in the test case > >>>>>>>>> testRootNSingularity, where similar NaN appears instead of +/- > >>>>>>> infinity. > >>>>>>>>> The dsZero instance in the comment is simple the x parameter of > the > >>>>>>>>> function, as a derivativeStructure with value 0.0 and depending > on > >>>>>>>>> itself (dsZero = new DerivativeStructure(1, maxOrder, 0, 0.0)): > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> // the following checks shows a LIMITATION of the current > >>>>>>> implementation > >>>>>>>>> // we have no way to tell dsZero is a pure linear variable x = 0 > >>>>>>>>> // we only say: "dsZero is a structure with value = 0.0, > >>>>>>>>> // first derivative = 1.0, second and higher derivatives = 0.0". > >>>>>>>>> // Function composition rule for second derivatives is: > >>>>>>>>> // d2[f(g(x))]/dx2 = f''(g(x)) * [g'(x)]^2 + f'(g(x)) * g''(x) > >>>>>>>>> // when function f is the nth root and x = 0 we have: > >>>>>>>>> // f(0) = 0, f'(0) = +infinity, f''(0) = -infinity (and higher > >>>>>>>>> // derivatives keep switching between +infinity and -infinity) > >>>>>>>>> // so given that in our case dsZero represents g, we have g(x) = > 0, > >>>>>>>>> // g'(x) = 1 and g''(x) = 0 > >>>>>>>>> // applying the composition rules gives: > >>>>>>>>> // d2[f(g(x))]/dx2 = f''(g(x)) * [g'(x)]^2 + f'(g(x)) * g''(x) > >>>>>>>>> // = -infinity * 1^2 + +infinity * 0 > >>>>>>>>> // = -infinity + NaN > >>>>>>>>> // = NaN > >>>>>>>>> // if we knew dsZero is really the x variable and not the > identity > >>>>>>>>> // function applied to x, we would not have computed f'(g(x)) * > >>>>>>> g''(x) > >>>>>>>>> // and we would have found that the result was -infinity and not > >>>>>>> NaN > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hope this helps > >>>>>>>>> Luc > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> Ajo. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Luc Maisonobe > >>>>>>> <luc.maison...@free.fr > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ajo, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Le 23/08/2013 17:48, Ajo Fod a écrit : > >>>>>>>>>>>> Try this and I'm happy to explain if necessary: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> public class Derivative { > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> public static void main(final String[] args) { > >>>>>>>>>>>> DerivativeStructure dsA = new DerivativeStructure(1, > 1, > >>>>>>> 0, > >>>>>>>> 1d); > >>>>>>>>>>>> System.out.println("Derivative of constant^x wrt x"); > >>>>>>>>>>>> for (int a = -3; a < 3; a++) { > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> We have chosen the classical definition which implies c^x is > not > >>>>>>>> defined > >>>>>>>>>>> for real r and negative c. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Our implementation is based on the decomposition c^r = exp(r * > >>>>>>> ln(c)), > >>>>>>>>>>> so the NaN comes from the logarithm when c <= 0. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Noe also that as explained in the documentation here: > >>>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-math/userguide/analysis.html#a4.7_Differentiation > >>>>>>>>>>>> , > >>>>>>>>>>> there are no concepts of "constants" and "variables" in this > >>>>>>> framework, > >>>>>>>>>>> so we cannot draw a line between c^r as seen as a univariate > >>>>>>> function > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>> r, or as a univariate function of c, or as a bivariate function > >>>>>>> of c > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> r, or even as a pentavariate function of p1, p2, p3, p4, p5 > with > >>>>>>> both c > >>>>>>>>>>> and r being computed elsewhere from p1...p5. So we don't make > >>>>>>> special > >>>>>>>>>>> cases for the case c = 0 for example. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Does this explanation make sense to you? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> best regards, > >>>>>>>>>>> Luc > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> final DerivativeStructure a_ds = new > >>>>>>>> DerivativeStructure(1, > >>>>>>>>>>> 1, > >>>>>>>>>>>> a); > >>>>>>>>>>>> final DerivativeStructure out = a_ds.pow(dsA); > >>>>>>>>>>>> System.out.format("Derivative@%d=%f\n", a, > >>>>>>>>>>>> out.getPartialDerivative(new int[]{1})); > >>>>>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>>>>> } > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Gilles > >>>>>>> <gil...@harfang.homelinux.org > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 07:17:35 -0700, Ajo Fod wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems like the DerivativeCompiler returns NaN. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO it should return 0. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> What should be 0? 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