Ok, well argumented, I guess that's that then.
Regards,
Lucian
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On 2019-12-05 14:25, Wido den Hollander wrote:
On 12/5/19 10:08 AM, Nux! wrote:
Hi Wido,
When you put it like that it does seem like a pointless exercise, but
the devil is the details.
- very up to date kvm/kernel some may seek for various features
You can do the same with KVM right now. Just install a different kernel
on Ubuntu or CentOS and that works.
- good CEPH integration in their UI/api(?), no command line needed,
and
if you buy the product they will actually support it (quite
affordable)
The Ceph integration is only to talk to Ceph and that's all handled by
Qemu+libvirt+librbd+librados.
- excellent ZFS implementation, the kind you can't have with
Cloudstack
(they don't host qcow files on zfs, but use zvols). Good performance,
especially with compression. Proxmox replication is a very nice thing
for DR etc. Very efficient backups.
zvols is nice, yes! But that would be a matter of integrating this into
libvirt. Because then we could also use LVs for storing data and not
only zvols.
- Clustering & HA - their implementation is superior to Cloudstack's,
it
could simply be offloaded to the Proxmox engine, as it is done with
Xenserver and Vmware. VM HA for KVM in Cloudstack is currently broken
as
far as I am concerned, with VMs failing to be started automatically on
available HVs once one goes down.
The list goes on with finer points that I don't remember right now.
It's
an excellent product, if you haven't tried it yet, give it a go.
I have used Proxmox many times where people wanted a Hypervisor,
nothing
more.
It serves it's own purpose imho, not to be controlled by CloudStack. If
you want a no-nonsense hypervisor which just runs VMs: Go with Proxmox!
If you want something which manages networks, templates, firewalling,
ips: Go with CloudStack!
I don't see much benefit in talking to Proxmox with CloudStack because
in the end you are just talking to KVM.
Wido
Regards,
Lucian
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On 2019-12-05 07:46, Wido den Hollander wrote:
On 12/4/19 3:20 PM, Nux! wrote:
Hi,
As a user of Proxmox, I am quite happy with how they got certain
things
right. ZFS, CEPH, HA, efficient backups etc are all very nice
features.
It's giving ESXi a run for its money in certain circles.
It'd be great if we could orchestrate Proxmox hypervisors/clusters
with
Cloudstack.
Happy to contribute some time and testing, but obviously this
requires
an actual developer's attention. Any takers?
But it's still KVM in the end. So what would the true benefit be over
KVM which we have right now?
It supports Ceph, ZFS (just set it up) and HA.
So I don't see what we are lacking or what Proxmox integration would
bring us?
Wido
Regards,
Lucian
