Hi Lucian,

Proxmox is a good product. Do you want to manage Proxmox cluster using
cloudstack ? Proxmox VE can manage it pretty well.

btw, VM HA on KVM (based on NFS) is working well on our productions.

-Wei

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 10:09, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:

> Hi Wido,
>
> When you put it like that it does seem like a pointless exercise, but
> the devil is the details.
>
> - very up to date kvm/kernel some may seek for various features
>
> - good CEPH integration in their UI/api(?), no command line needed, and
> if you buy the product they will actually support it (quite affordable)
>
> - excellent ZFS implementation, the kind you can't have with Cloudstack
> (they don't host qcow files on zfs, but use zvols). Good performance,
> especially with compression. Proxmox replication is a very nice thing
> for DR etc. Very efficient backups.
>
> - Clustering & HA - their implementation is superior to Cloudstack's, it
> could simply be offloaded to the Proxmox engine, as it is done with
> Xenserver and Vmware. VM HA for KVM in Cloudstack is currently broken as
> far as I am concerned, with VMs failing to be started automatically on
> available HVs once one goes down.
>
> The list goes on with finer points that I don't remember right now. It's
> an excellent product, if you haven't tried it yet, give it a go.
>
> Regards,
> Lucian
>
>
>
> ---
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> On 2019-12-05 07:46, Wido den Hollander wrote:
> > On 12/4/19 3:20 PM, Nux! wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> As a user of Proxmox, I am quite happy with how they got certain
> >> things
> >> right. ZFS, CEPH, HA, efficient backups etc are all very nice
> >> features.
> >> It's giving ESXi a run for its money in certain circles.
> >> It'd be great if we could orchestrate Proxmox hypervisors/clusters
> >> with
> >> Cloudstack.
> >>
> >> Happy to contribute some time and testing, but obviously this requires
> >> an actual developer's attention. Any takers?
> >>
> >
> > But it's still KVM in the end. So what would the true benefit be over
> > KVM which we have right now?
> >
> > It supports Ceph, ZFS (just set it up) and HA.
> >
> > So I don't see what we are lacking or what Proxmox integration would
> > bring us?
> >
> > Wido
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Lucian
> >>
>

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