For now I've created a Pull Request so we can have a discussion about it there: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/2720
Wido On 06/21/2018 02:34 PM, Gabriel Beims Bräscher wrote: > +1 > > We have an empty page regarding 5.0 [1] in the Design documents section > [2]. It might be a good spot to sort out CloudStack 5.0 plans. > > [1] > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/5.0+Design+Documents > [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Design > > 2018-06-21 5:58 GMT-03:00 Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com>: > >> well, that one is a good one to update, but there was a dedicated 5.0 page >> at some time. I think we can just use this from here on in and merge >> anything else in it when we find it ;) >> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 8:49 AM, Rafael Weingärtner < >> rafaelweingart...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This one [1]? >>> >>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Roadmap >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Daan Hoogland <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wido, there used to be a page on cwiki with plans for 5.0, I can not >> find >>>> it anymore but this should be added to it. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6:42 PM, ilya musayev < >>>> ilya.mailing.li...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think the simplicity of Basic Zone was - you can get away with 1 >> VLAN >>>>> for everything (great for POC setup) where as Advanced Shared with >> VLAN >>>>> isolation requires several VLANs to get going. >>>>> >>>>> How would we cover this use case? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:34 AM Tutkowski, Mike < >>>>> mike.tutkow...@netapp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Also, yes, I agree with the list you provided, Wido. We might have >> to >>>>>> break “other fancy stuff” into more detail, though. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/20/18, 12:32 PM, "Tutkowski, Mike" <mike.tutkow...@netapp.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, Wido :) I missed that part. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/20/18, 5:03 AM, "Wido den Hollander" <w...@widodh.nl> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 06/20/2018 12:31 AM, Tutkowski, Mike wrote: >>>>>> > If this initiative goes through, perhaps that’s a good >> time >>> to >>>>>> bump CloudStack’s release number to 5.0.0? >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what I said in my e-mail :-) But yes, I agree with >> you, >>>>>> this >>>>>> might be a good time to bump it to 5.0 >>>>>> >>>>>> With that we would: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Drop creation of new Basic Networking Zones >>>>>> - Support IPv6 in shared IPv6 networks >>>>>> - Java 9? >>>>>> - Drop support for Ubuntu 12.04 >>>>>> - Other fancy stuff? >>>>>> - Support ConfigDrive in all scenarios properly >>>>>> >>>>>> How would that sound? >>>>>> >>>>>> Wido >>>>>> >>>>>> >> On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:17 PM, Wido den Hollander < >>>>>> w...@widodh.nl> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> On 06/19/2018 11:07 PM, Daan Hoogland wrote: >>>>>> >>> I like this initiative, and here comes the big but even >>>>>> though I myself >>>>>> >>> might think it is not valid; Basic zones are there to >>> give a >>>>>> simple start >>>>>> >>> for new users. If we can give a one-knob start/one page >>>>>> wizard for creating >>>>>> >>> a shared network in advanced zone with security groups >> and >>>>>> userdata, great. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> That would be a UI thing, but it would be a matter of >> using >>>>>> VLAN >>>>>> >> isolation and giving in VLAN 0 or 'untagged', because >>> that's >>>>>> basically >>>>>> >> what Basic Networking does. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> It plugs the VM on top of usually cloudbr0 (KVM). >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> If you use vlan://untagged for the broadcast_uri in >>> Advanced >>>>>> Networking >>>>>> >> you get exactly the same result. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> And I really fancy this idea. let's make ACS more simple >>> by >>>>>> throwing at as >>>>>> >>> much code as we can in a gradual and controlled way :+1: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> I would love to. But I'm a real novice when it comes to >> the >>>> UI >>>>>> though. >>>>>> >> So that would be something I wouldn't be good at doing. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Blocking Basic Networking creation is a few if-statements >>> at >>>>>> the right >>>>>> >> location and you're done. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Wido >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Wido den Hollander < >>>>>> w...@widodh.nl> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> We (PCextreme) are a big-time user of Basic Networking >>> and >>>>>> recently >>>>>> >>>> started to look into Advanced Networking with VLAN >>>> isolation >>>>>> and a >>>>>> >>>> shared network. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> This provides (from what we can see) all the features >>> Basic >>>>>> Networking >>>>>> >>>> provides, like the VR just doing DHCP and UserData >> while >>>> the >>>>>> Hypervisor >>>>>> >>>> does the Security Grouping. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> That made me wonder why we still have Basic Networking. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Dropping all the code would be a big problem for users >> as >>>>>> you can't >>>>>> >>>> simply migrate from Basic to Advanced. In theory we >> found >>>>>> out that it's >>>>>> >>>> possible by changing the database, but I wouldn't >>> guarantee >>>>>> it works in >>>>>> >>>> every use-case. So doing this automatically during a >>>> upgrade >>>>>> would be >>>>>> >>>> difficult. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> To prevent us from having to maintain the Basic >>> Networking >>>>>> code for ever >>>>>> >>>> I would like to propose and discuss the matter of >>>> preventing >>>>>> the >>>>>> >>>> creation of new Basic Networking zones. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> In the future this can get us rid of a lot of if-else >>>>>> statements in the >>>>>> >>>> code and it would make testing also easier as we have >> few >>>>>> things to test. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Most of the development also seems to go in the >> Advanced >>>>>> Networking >>>>>> >>>> direction. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> We are currently also working on IPv6 in Advanced >> Shared >>>>>> Networks and >>>>>> >>>> that's progressing very good as well. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Would this be something to call the 5.0 release where >> we >>>>>> simplify the >>>>>> >>>> networking and in the UI/API get rid of Basic >> Networking >>>>>> while keeping >>>>>> >>>> it alive for existing users? >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Wido >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Daan >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rafael Weingärtner >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Daan >> >
