yes, technically we should be able to just make a new VR implementation
available and then when people create their network offerings, they just
pick which VR implementation they want to use for the different
capabilities.

*Will STEVENS*
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Dustin Wright <
dwri...@untangledtechnology.com> wrote:

> I would like to see a "virtual router offering" in the UI which lets you
> pick the legacy VR or your own. Probably a component of the network
> offering. I've had many cases were I needed Mikrotik RouterOS or pfSense to
> match a clients on-premise gear. ACS should find a way to stay agnostic
> IMO.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Marty Godsey <ma...@gonsource.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I like this idea as well. I would be willing to test both VyOS and
> > Cloudrouter if you need an active service to test with. Specifically I am
> > looking to test IPv6 since I provide IPv6 /64 spaces to my customers and
> I
> > am having to provide it via an external router at the moment which has a
> > lot of manual configurations.
> >
> > Let me know if I can help in anyway.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 7:21 AM
> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Replacing the VR
> >
> > Ya. If we go this way, I like the approach of building the integration
> and
> > putting it through its paces as a stand alone VR before we consider
> > replacing the old VR and making it the default.
> >
> > On Sep 13, 2016 6:52 AM, "Jayapal Uradi" <jayapal.ur...@accelerite.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Instead of replacing the VR in first place we should add
> > > VyOS/cloudrouter as provider. Once it is stable, network offerings (on
> > > upgrade) can be updated to use it and we can drop the VR if we want at
> > that release onwards.
> > >
> > > VR is stabilized over a period of time and some of them are running
> > > without issues.  When we replicate the ACS VR features in new solution
> > > it takes some to find the missing pieces (hidden bugs).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jayapal
> > >
> > > > On Sep 13, 2016, at 2:52 PM, Nux! <
> > >
> > > > n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I like the idea.
> > > >
> > > > Cloudrouter looks really promising, I'm not too keen on VyOS (it
> > > > doesn't
> > > have a proper http api etc).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > > >
> > > > Nux!
> > > > www.nux.ro
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Will Stevens" <williamstev...@gmail.com>
> > > >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> > > >> Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2016 21:20:11
> > > >> Subject: [DISCUSS] Replacing the VR
> > > >
> > > >> *Disclaimer:* This is a thought experiment and should be treated as
> > > such.
> > > >> Please weigh in with the good and bad of this idea...
> > > >>
> > > >> A couple of us have been discussing the idea of potentially
> > > >> replacing
> > > the
> > > >> ACS VR with the VyOS [1] (Open Source Vyatta VM).  There may be a
> > > license
> > > >> issue because I think it is licensed under GPL, but for the sake of
> > > >> discussion, let's assume we can overcome any license issues.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have spent some time recently with the VyOS and I have to admit,
> > > >> I was pretty impressed.  It is simple and intuitive and it gives
> > > >> you a lot
> > > more
> > > >> options for auditing the configuration etc...
> > > >>
> > > >> Items of potential interest:
> > > >> - Clean up our current VR script spaghetti to a simpler more
> > > >> auditable configuration workflow.
> > > >> - Gives a cleaner path for IPv6 support.
> > > >> - Handles VPN configuration via the same configuration interface.
> > > >> - Support for OSPF & BGP.
> > > >> - VPN support through OpenVPN & StrongSwan.
> > > >> - Easily supports HA (redundant routers) through VRRP.
> > > >> - VXLAN support.
> > > >> - Transaction based changes to the VR with rollback on error.
> > > >>
> > > >> Items that could be difficult to solve:
> > > >> - Userdata password reset workflow and implementation.
> > > >> - Upgrade process.
> > > >>
> > > >> The VyOS is not the only option if we were to consider this
> approach.
> > > >> Another option, which I don't know as well, would be CloudRouter
> > > >> (AGPL
> > > >> license) [2] which is purely API driven.
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts...
> > > >>
> > > >> Will
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://vyos.io/
> > > >> [2] https://cloudrouter.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
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