> Op 23 augustus 2016 om 11:38 schreef Rohit Yadav <rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com>: > > > Historically, CloudStack's debian/deb packages/repositories have never been > supported by the initial authors. For example, initial ACS version and all > CCP releases never shipped deb packages, nor in our (old and recent) > documentation we promote installation/running CloudStack on Debian/Ubuntu. > Afaik, it was Wido who introduced it because he wanted to run CloudStack on > Ubuntu/Debian-based distro. Also, the packages are something that the project > never shipped or endorsed or supported, so it's up to the maintainers of > various repositories how they are building and hosting CloudStack packages. > Even if we remove the packaging support in our branch/repository, anyone can > build CloudStack for any distro, several people/projects have packaging > related buildsystem/code separated from the project codebase. Most tutorials > that I found are based around Ubuntu 14.04 or CentOS, given that 12.04 is 4+ > years old, we might not even have anyone using CloudStack on it. >
I highly doubt somebody still runs Ubuntu 12.04 with a recent version of CloudStack. 4+ years in Qemu/libvirt time is a very long time. > > That said -- I think 4.9 should at least not drop the support yet, just to > let any Ubuntu 12.04 user who may be using it in the wild. If we look at the > PR, the way we're dropping the support is by simply bumping up few package > dependency versions. The issue of supporting or dropping support for Ubuntu > 12.04 lies in those version changes only. > > > The more important thing right now is to support at least Ubuntu 16.04 hosts > as KVM guests and usage-server hosts, which is much needed in both 4.9 and > master branch for the upcoming 4.9.1.0 and 4.10.0.0 releases. > > > Wido -- would it be acceptable to avoid bumping up the min. package > dependency version, i.e we don't change the pkg dependencies for > cloudstack-agent and keep the version number as it is for lsb-base, qemu-kvm, > libvirt-bin for 4.9 branch. While on 4.10, we can discuss if we want to drop > the support now or plan this later. > > Well, yes. But I don't know *what* might break on 12.04. I wrote the PR in May and there must have been a reason for that. Feel free to modify the PR and not bump those versions. Packages might work or not, not completely sure. Wido > Regards. > > ________________________________ > From: Wido den Hollander <w...@widodh.nl> > Sent: 23 August 2016 11:38:43 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; John Burwell; us...@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: Re: Eliminating Support for Ubuntu 12.04 > > > > Op 23 augustus 2016 om 1:02 schreef John Burwell > > <john.burw...@shapeblue.com>: > > > > > > All, > > > > PR 1647 [1] proposes dropping support for Ubuntu 12.04 from 4.9.2.0+. The > > primary motivation for its removal is that the age of its libvirt and qemu > > versions greatly complicate maintenance of the KVM integration. However, > > Ubuntu 12.04 will be supported until April 2017 [2]. What would be the > > impact to our user community of removing support for Ubuntu 12.04 before > > its EOL in April 2017? If we don’t drop support for it in 4.x, would it be > > acceptable to drop support for it in 5.0.0 which is currently scheduled for > > release at the end of 2016 [3]? > > > > The PR was supposed to go into 4.9 already, it just took way to long to get > merged. So that's why it would now go into 4.9.2 > > > If we do chose to drop support for Ubuntu 12.04 in 4.x, I propose that we > > remove it in 4.10.0.0 rather than 4.9.2.0. First, it is reasonable for > > users to expect that upgrading between patch releases (i.e. 4.9.x.x -> > > 4.9.x+1.x) would not require system changes. Dropping a distribution would > > violate such an expectation. Second, 4.9 is an LTS branch. Therefore, > > maintaining 12.04 support in 4.9 would provide LTS users with support for > > Ubuntu 12.04 until May 2018 — well after its EOL. Does this approach seem > > reasonable if we elect drop Ubuntu 12.04 in 4.x? > > Again, this PR had to be merged earlier, not later. It's just very difficult > packaging wise to keep supporting 12.04 and 16.04 at the same time. > > The Qemu and libvirt versions in 12.04 are truly ancient. I doubt anybody is > running stock 12.04 with CloudStack 4.8 right now for example. > > The Ubuntu 12.04 debate has been popping up multiple times in the last year. > > This PR has been open way to long, that's imho the main problem here. > > I'm in favor of dropping 12.04, should have been done in 4.9 already and not > wait any longer. > > Wido > > > > > Thanks, > > -John > > > > [1]: https://github.com/apache/cloudstack/pull/1647 > > [2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases > > [3]: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/%5BPROPOSAL%5D+2016-2017+Release+Cycle+and+Calendar<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/[PROPOSAL]+2016-2017+Release+Cycle+and+Calendar> > > > > > > > > john.burw...@shapeblue.com > > www.shapeblue.com<http://www.shapeblue.com> > > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London VA WC2N 4HSUK > > @shapeblue > > > > > > > > rohit.ya...@shapeblue.com > www.shapeblue.com > 53 Chandos Place, Covent Garden, London WC2N 4HSUK > @shapeblue > > >
