> Perhaps we should consider a Milestone release.  At least in some projects 
> this is a way to provide a test bed with known issues that will be corrected 
> before an RC.
How does that differ from beta in our lifecycle? API stable but a test bed to 
suss out issues like this.


On Mon, Jul 1, 2024, at 9:30 AM, Claude Warren, Jr via dev wrote:
> Perhaps we should consider a Milestone release.  At least in some projects 
> this is a way to provide a test bed with known issues that will be corrected 
> before an RC.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 9:50 PM Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>> This came in after our vote, but we might also have a problem with 
>> performing schema changes after a full restart.  Appears to only be if the 
>> entire cluster was shut down, according to the report.  If it's true, this 
>> might affect anyone trying to restore from a backup.  This would also be a 
>> blocker for me, if that's the case.
>> 
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-19735
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 9:49 PM Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for confirming this, Blake. I agree that we should not knowingly 
>>> ship new versions with severe bugs that cause the DB to crash, regression 
>>> or not. 
>>> 
>>> -1 from me as well
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 1:39 AM Blake Eggleston <beggles...@apple.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Looking at the ticket, I’d say Jon’s concern is legitimate. The segfaults 
>>>> Jon is seeing are probably caused by paxos V2 when combined with off heap 
>>>> memtables for the reason Benedict suggests in the JIRA. This problem will 
>>>> continue to exist in 5.0. Unfortunately, it looks like the patch posted is 
>>>> not enough to address the issue and will need to be a bit more involved to 
>>>> properly fix the problem.
>>>> 
>>>> While this is not a regression, I think Jon’s point about trie memtables 
>>>> increasing usage of off heap memtables is a good one, and anyway we 
>>>> shouldn’t be doing major releases with known process crashing bugs.
>>>> 
>>>> So I’m voting -1 on this release and will work with Jon and Benedict to 
>>>> get this fixed.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Blake
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Blake or Benedict - can either of you speak to Jon's concerns around 
>>>>> CASSANDRA-19668?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, at 12:18 AM, Jeff Jirsa wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2024, at 5:04 AM, Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Proposing the test build of Cassandra 5.0-rc1 for release.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sha1: b43f0b2e9f4cb5105764ef9cf4ece404a740539a
>>>>>>> Git: https://github.com/apache/cassandra/tree/5.0-rc1-tentative
>>>>>>> Maven Artifacts: 
>>>>>>> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecassandra-1336/org/apache/cassandra/cassandra-all/5.0-rc1/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Source and Build Artifacts, and the Debian and RPM packages and 
>>>>>>> repositories, are available here: 
>>>>>>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/cassandra/5.0-rc1/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The vote will be open for 72 hours (longer if needed). Everyone who has 
>>>>>>> tested the build is invited to vote. Votes by PMC members are 
>>>>>>> considered binding. A vote passes if there are at least three binding 
>>>>>>> +1s and no -1's.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1]: CHANGES.txt: 
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cassandra/blob/5.0-rc1-tentative/CHANGES.txt
>>>>>>> [2]: NEWS.txt: 
>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/cassandra/blob/5.0-rc1-tentative/NEWS.txt

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