We discussed about the video call on the dev list and everyone agreed to it.
I also welcome Josh in helping with the project. Like Josh and Dinesh mentioned, let’s encourage contributions by allowing non-committers to do first round of review as I don’t see a downside of doing this. These video calls and email updates can help motivate others to help with reviews and write patches. I feel it is worth a try!! > On Jan 10, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Jeff Jirsa <jji...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This will be rambling as I’m typing on my phone while watching The Office > and I’m not going to proofread, but: > > PMC votes on releases, and code policies, and trademarks, and things of that > nature. While the link suggests PMCs *can* sponsor meetings, nothing should > preclude anyone from meeting to talk about the database - there are countless > cassandra meetups around and we never try to police those (and we shouldn’t > start), as long as they’re not pretending to be speaking on behalf of the > project. > > A couple non-committer contributors deciding to hop on a video call and > encourage other contributors to attend seems both harmless to the project and > something that can help build awareness and bring attention to some of the > otherwise invisible work that’s happening. > > It’s not on behalf of the project PMC, this thread has made that clear, but I > think there’s value here, even if anything discussed or proposed on any > hypothetical call has no standing and wouldn’t represent the PMC or the > project. Having folks who care about the database talk about the community, > even if they’re not committers, doesn’t seem all that damaging to me, as long > as they’re not violating trademark to promote it or somehow misrepresenting > the nature of the call. > > I get the concern about implicit control of the project and how that can > devolve over time despite good intentions. > > As with the long threads in 2015/2016, I think we should be sure not to > overreact out of fear, and should assume good intent. > > Given the concern, I also think folks trying to build community should make a > point of over communicating to the dev list. > > Hugs and kisses friends, > - Jeff > > > >> On Jan 10, 2020, at 6:05 PM, Benedict Elliott Smith <bened...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> To be clear, as it seems like I'm being very negative here, I'm really >> pleased to see DataStax suddenly increase their participation, even if >> currently it's limited to administrative activities. But let's try really >> hard to do things in the right way. >> >> https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#meetings >> >> Community and meetings are explicitly within the intended purview of the >> PMC. The Cassandra PMC ordinarily implicitly devolves decision-making to >> the dev list, so a lack of formal role is no impediment to participation >> _here on the devlist_ but making decisions off-list amongst a cohort lacking >> _any_ formal members of the community is a particularly bad look IMO, and >> the kind of indifference to "The Apache Way" that lead to the fallout with >> DataStax many moons ago. >> >> In this case, Patrick said "we've decided we're running a contributor >> meeting on this date" which starts to look like an attempt - however >> unintentional - to make decisions about community and collaboration _for_ >> the project. >> >> Instead, IMO, presenting a clear proposal to the community about how this >> could happen, giving it due time to respond and consider (and probably >> mostly express gratitude!) is the right way to do it. It might lead to >> tweaks, it might lead to minor preconditions about process, it might lead to >> nothing. But that's how these kinds of things should happen, even ignoring >> the ASF stuff, if only out of politeness. >> >> >> On 11/01/2020, 01:52, "J. D. Jordan" <jeremiah.jor...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Isn’t doing such things the way people who are not writing code become part >> of a project? By offering their time to do things that benefit the project? >> >> Why does anyone “with a formal role” need to agree that Patrick is allowed >> to use his time to try and get some people together to discuss contributing? >> >> -Jeremiah Jordan >> Person with no formal role in the Apache Cassandra project. >> >>>>>> On Jan 10, 2020, at 7:44 PM, Benedict Elliott Smith >>>>>> <bened...@apache.org> wrote: >>> This is also great. But it's a bit of a weird look to have two people, >>> neither of whom have formal roles on the project, making decisions like >>> this without the involvement of the community. I'm sure everyone will be >>> supportive, but it would help to democratise the decision-making. >>> On 11/01/2020, 01:39, "Patrick McFadin" <pmcfa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Scott and I had a talk this week and we are starting the contributor >>> meetings on 1/22 as we talked about at NGCC. (Yeah that was back in >>> September) Stay tuned for the details and agenda in the project confluence >>> page. >>> Patrick >>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:21 PM Jeff Jirsa <jji...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:19 PM Jeff Jirsa <jji...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 2:35 PM Benedict Elliott Smith < >>>>> bened...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>> Yes, I also miss those fortnightly (or monthly) summaries that Jeff >>>>>> used to do. They were very useful "glue" in the community. I imagine >>>> they'd >>>>>> also make writing the board report easier. >>>>>> +1, those were great >>>>> I'll try to either do more of these, or nudge someone else into doing >>>> them >>>>> from time to time. >>>> (I meant ^ if Josh doesnt volunteer. 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