To be clear, as it seems like I'm being very negative here, I'm really pleased to see DataStax suddenly increase their participation, even if currently it's limited to administrative activities. But let's try really hard to do things in the right way.
https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#meetings Community and meetings are explicitly within the intended purview of the PMC. The Cassandra PMC ordinarily implicitly devolves decision-making to the dev list, so a lack of formal role is no impediment to participation _here on the devlist_ but making decisions off-list amongst a cohort lacking _any_ formal members of the community is a particularly bad look IMO, and the kind of indifference to "The Apache Way" that lead to the fallout with DataStax many moons ago. In this case, Patrick said "we've decided we're running a contributor meeting on this date" which starts to look like an attempt - however unintentional - to make decisions about community and collaboration _for_ the project. Instead, IMO, presenting a clear proposal to the community about how this could happen, giving it due time to respond and consider (and probably mostly express gratitude!) is the right way to do it. It might lead to tweaks, it might lead to minor preconditions about process, it might lead to nothing. But that's how these kinds of things should happen, even ignoring the ASF stuff, if only out of politeness. On 11/01/2020, 01:52, "J. D. Jordan" <jeremiah.jor...@gmail.com> wrote: Isn’t doing such things the way people who are not writing code become part of a project? By offering their time to do things that benefit the project? Why does anyone “with a formal role” need to agree that Patrick is allowed to use his time to try and get some people together to discuss contributing? -Jeremiah Jordan Person with no formal role in the Apache Cassandra project. > On Jan 10, 2020, at 7:44 PM, Benedict Elliott Smith <bened...@apache.org> wrote: > > This is also great. But it's a bit of a weird look to have two people, neither of whom have formal roles on the project, making decisions like this without the involvement of the community. I'm sure everyone will be supportive, but it would help to democratise the decision-making. > > > On 11/01/2020, 01:39, "Patrick McFadin" <pmcfa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Scott and I had a talk this week and we are starting the contributor > meetings on 1/22 as we talked about at NGCC. (Yeah that was back in > September) Stay tuned for the details and agenda in the project confluence > page. > > Patrick > >>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:21 PM Jeff Jirsa <jji...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 3:19 PM Jeff Jirsa <jji...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 2:35 PM Benedict Elliott Smith < >>> bened...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> Yes, I also miss those fortnightly (or monthly) summaries that Jeff >>>> used to do. They were very useful "glue" in the community. I imagine >> they'd >>>> also make writing the board report easier. >>>> +1, those were great >>> I'll try to either do more of these, or nudge someone else into doing >> them >>> from time to time. >> (I meant ^ if Josh doesnt volunteer. Would love to have Josh do them if >> he's got time). > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org
