Maybe a bit off-topic: Before we cut a release, we should make sure we take care of beta protocol [1], include released driver versions [2] and remove compact storage remainders [3]. Third one is optional, but I'd argue we should do it sooner rather than later.
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-14973 [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-13951 [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-13994 On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 1:25 AM Sumanth Pasupuleti < sumanth.pasupuleti...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback Scott. I have incorporated all the incremental > feedback I have thus far. > > Looking for any additional feedback folks may have. > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bS6sr-HSrHFjZb0welife6Qx7u3ZDgRiAoENMLYlfz8/edit# > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 11:54 AM Scott Andreas <sc...@paradoxica.net> > wrote: > > > Thanks for starting this discussion, Sumanth! Added a round of comments > as > > well. > > > > Summarizing my non-binding feedback: I feel that many of the items under > > "Alpha" and "Beta" should be achieved prior to the release of an alpha, > > especially those related to correctness/safety, scope lock, feature > > completeness, deprecation, and backwards compatibility. Establishing a > > higher standard for official project releases (even at the alpha and beta > > stage) will help us really polish the final build together. > > > > Ideally, I feel that contributors should have completed extensive > > testing/validation to ensure that no critical or severe bugs exist prior > to > > the release of an alpha (e.g., data loss, consistency violations, > incorrect > > responses to queries, etc). Perhaps we can add a line to this effect. > > > > Ensuring that we've met that bar prior to alpha will help us focus the > > final stages of the release on gathering feedback from users + developers > > to validate tooling and automation; compatibility with less commonly-used > > client libraries, testing new features, evaluating performance and > > stability under their workloads, etc. > > > > – Scott > > > > On 6/11/19, 6:45 AM, "Sumanth Pasupuleti" < > > sumanth.pasupuleti...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the feedback on the product stages/ release life cycle > > document. > > I have incorporated the suggestions and looking for any additional > > feedback > > folks may have. > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bS6sr-HSrHFjZb0welife6Qx7u3ZDgRiAoENMLYlfz8/edit# > > > > Thanks, > > Sumanth > > > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 10:43 PM Scott Andreas <sc...@paradoxica.net > > > > wrote: > > > > > Echoing Jon’s point here – > > > > > > JH: “My thinking is I'd like to be able to recommend 4.0.0 as a > > production > > > ready > > > database for business critical cases” > > > > > > I feel that this is a standard that is both appropriate and > > achievable, > > > and one I’m legitimately excited about. > > > > > > Re: the current state of the test plan wiki in Confluence, I owe > > another > > > pass through. There has been a lot of progress here, but I’ve let > > perfect > > > be the enemy of the good in getting updates out. I’ll complete that > > pass > > > later this week. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > — Scott > > > > > > > On May 28, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Dinesh Joshi <djo...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > +1. Wiki could be useful to document what the overall plan. Jira > to > > > track progress. > > > > > > > > Dinesh > > > > > > > >>> On May 28, 2019, at 10:20 AM, Joshua McKenzie < > > jmcken...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> The unofficial rule is to not upgrade to prod till .10 is cut. > > > >> > > > >> FWIW, I believe it's historically .6. Which is still not a great > > look > > > for > > > >> the project. > > > >> > > > >> There's a ton of work going into testing 4.0 already. > > > >> > > > >> While I intuitively and anecdotally (from the people I've > > backchanneled > > > >> with) believe this to be true as well, the referenced wiki > > page[1] and > > > >> jql[2] doesn't look like it's an up to date reflection of the > > testing > > > >> efforts going on. Is there another place this information is > > stored / > > > >> queryable we can surface to people to keep us all coordinated? > > > >> > > > >> [1] > > > >> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/4.0+Quality%3A+Components+and+Test+Plans > > > >> [2] > > > >> > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-14862?jql=project%20%3D%20CASSANDRA%20AND%20%20labels%20%3D%204.0-QA > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:57 PM sankalp kohli < > > kohlisank...@gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hi Jon, > > > >>> When you say 4.0 release, how do u match it with 3.0 > > minor > > > >>> releases. The unofficial rule is to not upgrade to prod till > .10 > > is > > > cut. > > > >>> Also due to heavy investment in testing, I dont think it will > > take as > > > long > > > >>> as 3.0 but want to know what is your thinking with this. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks, > > > >>> Sankalp > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 9:40 AM Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com > > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sept is a pretty long ways off. I think the ideal case is we > > can > > > >>> announce > > > >>>> 4.0 release at the summit. I'm not putting this as a "do or > > die" > > > date, > > > >>> and > > > >>>> I don't think we need to announce it or make promises. > > Sticking with > > > >>> "when > > > >>>> it's ready" is the right approach, but we need a target, and > > this is > > > imo > > > >>> a > > > >>>> good one. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This date also gives us a pretty good runway. We could cut > our > > first > > > >>>> alphas in mid June / early July, betas in August and release > in > > Sept. > > > >>>> There's a ton of work going into testing 4.0 already. > > > >>>> Landing CASSANDRA-15066 will put us in a pretty good spot. > > We've > > > >>> developed > > > >>>> tooling at TLP that will make it a lot easier to spin up dev > > clusters > > > in > > > >>>> AWS as well as stress test them. I've written about this a > few > > times > > > in > > > >>>> the past, and I'll have a few blog posts coming up that will > > help show > > > >>> this > > > >>>> in more details. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> There's some other quality of life things we should try to > > hammer out > > > >>>> before then. Updating our default JVM settings would be nice, > > for > > > >>>> example. Improving documentation (the data modeling section > in > > > >>>> particular), fixing the dynamic snitch issues [1], and some > > > improvements > > > >>> to > > > >>>> virtual tables like exposing the sstable metadata [2], and > > exposing > > > table > > > >>>> statistics [3] come to mind. The dynamic snitch improvement > > will help > > > >>>> performance in a big way, and the virtual tables will go a > long > > way to > > > >>>> helping with quality of life. I showed a few folks virtual > > tables at > > > the > > > >>>> Accelerate conference last week and the missing table > > statistics was a > > > >>> big > > > >>>> shock. If we can get them in, it'll be a big help to > operators. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-14459 > > > >>>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-14630 > > > >>>> [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-14572 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 2:36 PM Nate McCall < > > zznat...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi Sumanth, > > > >>>>> Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>> -Nate > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:27 AM Sumanth Pasupuleti < > > > >>>>> sumanth.pasupuleti...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> I have taken an initial stab at documenting release types > and > > exit > > > >>>>> criteria > > > >>>>>> in a google doc, to get us started, and to collaborate on. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bS6sr-HSrHFjZb0welife6Qx7u3ZDgRiAoENMLYlfz8/edit?usp=sharing > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>> Sumanth > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 12:04 PM Dinesh Joshi < > > djo...@apache.org> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Sankalp, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Great point. This is the page created for testing. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/4.0+Quality%3A+Components+and+Test+Plans > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I think we need to define the various release types and the > > exit > > > >>>>> criteria > > > >>>>>>> for each type of release. Anybody want to take a stab at > > this or > > > >>>> start > > > >>>>> a > > > >>>>>>> thread to discuss it? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Dinesh > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On May 23, 2019, at 11:57 AM, sankalp kohli < > > > >>>> kohlisank...@gmail.com> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>>>> Is there a page where it is written what is expected from > > an > > > >>>>> alpha, > > > >>>>>>>> beta, rc and a 4.0 release? > > > >>>>>>>> Also how are we coming up with Q4 2019 timeline. Is this > for > > > >>> alpha, > > > >>>>>> beta, > > > >>>>>>>> rc or 4.0 release? > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>>>> Sankalp > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 11:27 AM Attila Wind > > > >>>> <attilaw@swf.technology > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> +1+1+1 I read a blog post was talking about last sept(?) > to > > > >>> freeze > > > >>>>>>>>> features and start extensive testing. Maybe its really > > time to > > > >>> hit > > > >>>>> it! > > > >>>>>>> :-) > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Attila Wind > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/attilaw > > > >>>>>>>>> Mobile: +36 31 7811355 > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 2019. 05. 23. 19:30, ajs6f wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 in the fullest degree. A date that needs to be > changed > > is > > > >>>> still > > > >>>>>>>>> enormously more attractive than no date at all. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Adam Soroka > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2019, at 12:01 PM, Sumanth Pasupuleti < > > > >>>>>>>>> spasupul...@netflix.com.INVALID> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Having at least a ballpark target on the website will > > > >>> definitely > > > >>>>>> help. > > > >>>>>>>>> +1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>> on setting it to Q4 2019 for now. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 8:52 AM Dinesh Joshi < > > > >>> djo...@apache.org > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 on setting a date. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Dinesh > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Michael Shuler < > > > >>>>>>> mich...@pbandjelly.org> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> We've had 4.0 listed as TBD release date for a very > > long > > > >>> time. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday, Alexander Dejanovski got a "when's 4.0 > > going to > > > >>>>>> release?" > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> question after his repair talk and he suggested > > possibly Q4 > > > >>>> 2019. > > > >>>>>>> This > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> morning Nate McCall hinted at possibly being close by > > > >>> ApacheCon > > > >>>>> Las > > > >>>>>>>>> Vegas > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in September. These got me thinking.. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Think we can we shoot for having a 4.0 alpha/beta/rc > > ready > > > >>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> announce/release at ApacheCon? At that time, we'll > have > > been > > > >>>>> frozen > > > >>>>>>>>> for 1 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> year, and I think we can. We'll GA release when it's > > ready, > > > >>>> but I > > > >>>>>>>>> think Q4 > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> could be an realistic target. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> With that said, I'd like to change "TBD" on the > > downloads > > > >>> page > > > >>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>> "Est. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Q4 2019". We can always push or pull the estimate, > but I > > > >>> think > > > >>>>> it's > > > >>>>>>>>> time to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> have a goal line. This lines up with ApacheCon nicely > > for a > > > >>>>> preview > > > >>>>>>>>> release. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any concerns or objections to editing the download > > page? > > > >>> Have > > > >>>>> some > > > >>>>>>>>> other > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> goal timeframe in mind? > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Warm regards, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > >>> dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > >>>> dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > >>> dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org > > > > > -- alex p
