v9.2 for me. I definitely prefer the blue color and I really don’t get the pigeon.
Dan > On Oct 23, 2023, at 5:04 AM, Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind > <os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: > > Hi all, > > TL;DR: if you haven't voted yet, please do so! > > As Emma has shown that an upwards angle change for V9.2 doesn't work, I > think we should drop that version from the vote. > > This means, with the (binding) votes so far, that the result is a tie: > > - V9.2: 2 votes > - V3.1: 2 votes > > Note: not everyone who voted the first round has voted again. > > *So if you have an opinion on the Avro logo, please vote!* > > On a side note: when I count all votes, there is no tie (there's an extra > vote for v3.1). So if there are no additional votes, we can still have a > result. > > > Kind regards, > Oscar > > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 at 16:42, Emma K <emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Oops! I realized there is a typo in my last message. I wrote that V3.2 is a >> finalist (the pigeon without the outlines) instead of V3.1 as a finalist >> (the pigeon with the outlines), my mistake! >> The finalists are V9.2 (or V11.2 if you prefer upwards) and V3.1 >> Apologies for the confusion! >> >> All the best, >> Emma >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 9:46 AM Niels Basjes <ni...@basjes.nl> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I had a good look at the logos and the pigeon version (v3.2 without the >>> line around it) has my preference. >>> That said I'm totally fine if we use the v9.2 which also looks awesome. >>> >>> Niels >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 2:37 PM Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com> wrote: >>> >>>> All of this is amazing -- it's really awesome for me to hear your >>>> thought processes and arguments for the design. I think we're pretty >>>> lucky to have this insight! My apologies for the delay, I just got >>>> back from a vacation following the conference :D >>>> >>>> I wish I had better expressed the positive sentiment we got for the >>>> designs when I was showing them off in person. I passed along the >>>> suggestions because they were interesting, but definitely NOT >>>> presented as mandatory. There will be ZERO hard feelings if we make >>>> our own decision! >>>> >>>> I didn't say it in the first mail, but my subjective opinion is to >>>> *disagree* with changing the airplane angle upwards. Paper airplanes >>>> that travel well *coast* easily (like Avro data). >>>> >>>> I maintain my v9.2 vote! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 6:59 AM David M. Carr <da...@carrclan.us> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Great work on these, Emma. My preference is for V3.2. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 2:37 PM Emma K <emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I uploaded some new images to the Jira issue here < >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554> to visually >> capture >>>> the >>>>>> suggestions for adjusting the upward angle design. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanted to show what it looks like if the upward angle of the >> plane >>>> logo >>>>>> is changed so that the underside is visible. The problem is that >> the >>>> blobby >>>>>> bits of the tail block the underside of the plane when adjusted to >>>> this new >>>>>> angle and make the design less clean and even less obvious as to >> what >>>> the >>>>>> icon is, which is why in the original upward design V11.2 I didn't >>> add >>>> any >>>>>> underside and instead opted for a cleaner but more abstract >>>> representation >>>>>> of the plane icon. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also wanted to show what it looks like if I just rotate the V9.2 >>>> design >>>>>> to an upward angle with no other changes. This also doesn't work, >>>> because >>>>>> the flow of the blobs isn't right for this orientation and the >>>> underside of >>>>>> the plane isn't right for this angle. >>>>>> >>>>>> To clarify a bit on what I wrote previously, I said that it was >> valid >>>> and >>>>>> made sense that the marketing booth preferred the upward-angle >>> design. >>>> When >>>>>> I said that, I did not mean to suggest that the upward angle was >>> better >>>>>> than the other designs, what I meant to do was just validate that >> it >>>> was >>>>>> okay for them to have that preference! The thing that's hard about >>>> design >>>>>> is that it's so subjective and everyone will have their own unique >>>> opinions >>>>>> on what looks better. >>>>>> >>>>>> But again, I want to make sure that the logo is something that the >>>> *Avro >>>>>> community* loves and agrees upon! I'm worried that the passing >>>> subjective >>>>>> preference of the marketing and publicity office at the Community >>> Over >>>> Code >>>>>> conference is casting its own 'shadow vote' here which is taking >> away >>>> from >>>>>> the gut feelings of the Avro community as a whole. I would just >> like >>> to >>>>>> encourage everyone to pick the design they like best in the final >>> vote, >>>>>> because at the end of the day, the logo that's chosen will >> ultimately >>>> be >>>>>> what represents Avro the project, and you as the contributors, not >>> the >>>>>> marketing and publicity office. >>>>>> >>>>>> To conclude, I don't think I'll be doing any additional revisions >> of >>>> the >>>>>> icons themselves in the future, so the options for the logos will >> be >>>> V9.2 >>>>>> (or V.11.2 if you want an upward angle) and V3.2. I will be >> uploading >>>> some >>>>>> revisions for the font used in the final design (once a winner is >>>> chosen) >>>>>> to see if there is a better alternative on that front, but >> otherwise, >>>> the >>>>>> icon designs themselves will remain the same. Thanks again for all >>> your >>>>>> patience and feedback throughout the process! >>>>>> >>>>>> All my best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Emma >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 5:22 AM Fokko Driesprong <fo...@apache.org >>> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Great work again! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Based on what I was taught when studying graphic design, icons >>> for >>>>>> logos >>>>>>>> should be memorable and have the simplest possible design to >>>> convey the >>>>>>>> desired image >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the background information Emma, this makes a lot of >>>> sense to >>>>>>> me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is, I believe, because the angle of V11.2 hides the >> underside: >>>> this >>>>>>>> makes the plane look incomplete. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree, it is not obvious that it is a paper plane (which I like >>> as >>>> a >>>>>>> reference, because of childhood :) Both the pigeon and the paper >>>> plane >>>>>> are >>>>>>> awesome. Maybe the plane is a bit more timeless, while the pigeon >>>> might >>>>>>> bring up IP over Avian Carriers >>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll vote for V9.2 pointing slightly upwards as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> Fokko >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Op di 17 okt 2023 om 14:54 schreef Oscar Westra van Holthe - >> Kind < >>>>>>> opw...@apache.org>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The results yesterday show that V9.2 is perceived as better >> than >>>> V11.2, >>>>>>>> despite being angled downward. This is, I believe, because the >>>> angle of >>>>>>>> V11.2 hides the underside: this makes the plane look >> incomplete. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My vote is for V9.2 if changed to fly upward, V3.1 otherwise. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>> Oscar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 at 21:46, Emma K <emma.a.kel...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind words throughout the process and >> vote! >>> I >>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> refrain from jumping in earlier lest I accidentally >> influenced >>>> the >>>>>>>> initial >>>>>>>>> vote in any way! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just wanted to hop in now and give my thoughts on the >>> suggestions >>>>>> Ryan >>>>>>>>> received at the Community Over Code conference and Oscar's >>>> suggestion >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> another possible upwards variant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll start with Oscar's suggestion first, which also ties >> into >>>> the >>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> point of advice Ryan received from the marketing and >> publicity >>>>>> office. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> we'd like to follow ASF's marketing team's intuition that the >>>> upward >>>>>>>> design >>>>>>>>> of 11.2 is better than the downward design of 9.2 I think >>> that's >>>>>> valid >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> makes sense! If this is the case, then I would suggest we use >>> the >>>>>> 11.2 >>>>>>>>> design rather than the 9.2 design, and I can make some slight >>>>>>> adjustments >>>>>>>>> to the angle of the plane as we see fit. I'll add that I am a >>>> little >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> hesitant about this approach only because the 11.2 design did >>> not >>>>>> beat >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> or tie with the votes of design 9.2 in the first round of >>>> voting, and >>>>>>>>> ultimately I would like the final logo to be something that >> the >>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>> as a whole loves and agrees upon! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The next suggestion Ryan received was based on the PT Mono >> font >>>>>> being a >>>>>>>>> little strange for the word 'Avro' as the r is the only >> serifed >>>>>> letter. >>>>>>>>> This is something I didn't notice before but they are right! >> I >>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>> already have five other fonts on the backburner that I tried >>>> when I >>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> drafting the original design versions but I personally liked >>> the >>>> PT >>>>>>> Mono >>>>>>>>> font the best so gave that as the only option (which in >>> hindsight >>>>>> might >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> have been the best choice). What I can do is once the final >>> icon >>>> is >>>>>>>> chosen >>>>>>>>> as the winner (either the plane or the pigeon) I can draft >> up a >>>> few >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> versions with the alternate font choices and we can decide if >>>> one of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> other fonts will work better in the long run. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Finally, in terms of the last suggestion from the marketing >> and >>>>>>> publicity >>>>>>>>> office of having the word Avro in the plane's dark blue, I >> have >>>> to >>>>>>>>> respectfully disagree with this assessment. The area of dark >>>> blue in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> plane icons is so small that even at large sizes it would be >>>>>> difficult >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> read 'Avro' if it was there, and at small sizes, it would be >>>>>> impossible >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> parse. Based on what I was taught when studying graphic >> design, >>>> icons >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> logos should be memorable and have the simplest possible >> design >>>> to >>>>>>> convey >>>>>>>>> the desired image. As an example of this, think of Apple's >>> logo, >>>>>> which >>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>> simplistic apple icon with a chunk missing. I would posit >> that >>> if >>>>>> Apple >>>>>>>>> wrote 'Apple' on their icon, it wouldn't be nearly as >>> effective. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's my 2¢ anyways! I'm happy to make more adjustments to >> the >>>> fonts >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the angles of the icons as we see fit, and I'm so excited to >>> see >>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> design will be the final winner in the end! :D >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All my best, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Emma >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:33 PM Oscar Westra van Holthe - >>> Kind < >>>>>>>>> os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The results are in: with 6 binding votes (all cast within 6 >>>> hours), >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> non-binding votes, it's a near-tie between V9.2 and V3.1. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> These are the votes: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - V9.2: 3 votes >>>>>>>>>> - V10.2: 1 vote >>>>>>>>>> - V11.2: 0 votes >>>>>>>>>> - V3.1: 2 votes (I changed the vote for V6.1, as the >> V3.1 >>>>>> variant >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> part of the vote) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What's next: one week to vote by simple majority between >> V9.2 >>>> and >>>>>>> V3.1. >>>>>>>>>> (given our quick votes last time, it's probably more than >>>> enough) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then, if we choose for V9.2, perhaps Emma can also create a >>>> good >>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>>>> flying >>>>>>>>>> slightly upward >>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://clipart-library.com/newhp/31-316437_transparent-airplane-clipart-paper-airplane-clipart-png-png.png >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>> of steeply like V11.2. I think we can leave it up to her >> good >>>>>>> judgement >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> determine if that's really an improvement. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, which do you like more: the plane V9.2, or the pigeon >>> V3.1? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>> Oscar >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 9 Oct 2023 at 22:54, Ryan Skraba <r...@skraba.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hello! I don't want to derail the conversation or vote, >> but >>>> I had >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to attend the marketing and publicity office >>>> hours >>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> community over Code conference. They had some pretty >>> specific >>>>>>>>> suggestions >>>>>>>>>>> (but not requirements of course). I'm on my phone but I >>> just >>>> want >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> capture them here! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Plane going up is better than down! >>>>>>>>>>> 2. PT Mono is peculiar for our specific word because the >> r >>>> has >>>>>>> serifs >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> the others don't. >>>>>>>>>>> 3. If we use the arrow, it would look great to have the >>> word >>>> Avro >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> plane's dark blue! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It was a neat conversation and they said some really nice >>>> things >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> initiative! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If we do anything about 2 or 3, we can talk about any >>>> adjustments >>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> vote. To be honest, I'm 100% confident with these current >>>> logos >>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> leaving >>>>>>>>>>> any changes to Emma's discretion! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All my bets Ryan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 13:08 Ryan Blue <b...@tabular.io> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My vote is for 10.2. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:02 AM Oscar Westra van Holthe >> - >>>> Kind < >>>>>>>>>>>> os...@westravanholthe.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the start, I've been a fan of the pigeon. It >>> looks >>>>>> good, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>> very distinctive. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And it's completely different from any send icon, so >> it >>>>>> cannot >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> conflated >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a message protocol icon. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My vote is for V3.1 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oscar >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <opw...@apache.org >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 🌐 https://github.com/opwvhk/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Op ma 2 okt. 2023 16:47 schreef Ryan Skraba < >>>> r...@skraba.com >>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't stop changing my mind, but I'm going to go >>> with >>>>>> V9.2 >>>>>>>> -- I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really like the pigeon too, but I think the paper >>> plane >>>>>> fits >>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nicely to pass up! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent work, Emma, and thanks Oscar for calling >>> the >>>>>> vote. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your voting proposal makes sense! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:59 PM Ismaël Mejía < >>>>>>> ieme...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V9.2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Fokko I was also not so close to the subject >>>> and it >>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> great >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the final selection. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks so great. Thanks for all the work Emma >> and >>>>>>> everyone! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ismaël >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:23 PM Fokko Driesprong < >>>>>>>>>> fo...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Oscar, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for raising this vote. I wasn't active >> in >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> conversation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the new logo, but I followed it from the >>>>>> sideline. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> logos are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fantastic. Kudos to Emma. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really like the pigeon, especially the one >> with >>>> the >>>>>>>>> envelope! >>>>>>>>>>> My >>>>>>>>>>>>> vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes to V6.1 if I can't vote on the alternative >>>> version >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, Fokko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op ma 2 okt 2023 om 14:14 schreef Oscar Westra >>> van >>>>>>> Holthe - >>>>>>>>>> Kind >>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> os...@westravanholthe.nl>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The past month, there has been new progress >> on >>>> our >>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AVRO-3554 < >>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554 >>>>>>>>>>> ). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Emma Kellam and the feedback we've all given, >>> we >>>> can >>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>> proceed >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vote on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the matter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are the finalists to choose from (if >> the >>>> image >>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> unreadable, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links to the comment where the finalists are >>>>>>> announced): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-3554?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17770969#comment-17770969 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So now, we can vote. Because a logo lasts >>> longer >>>>>> than a >>>>>>>>>> typical >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rules deviate from the usual rules >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the vote lasts 2 weeks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - to avoid confusion, please vote with the >>>> V... >>>>>>>>>> ifentifier: >>>>>>>>>>>>> V9.2, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> V10.2, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V11.2, V3.1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - the winner is the logo with at least two >>> (2) >>>>>> votes >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runner-up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - if there is no clear winner, we'll vote >> by >>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>>> majority >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top picks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please vote for your preference! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oscar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < >>>> opw...@apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 🌐 https://github.com/opwvhk/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue >>>>>>>>>>>> Tabular >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind < >> os...@westravanholthe.nl> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David M. Carr >>>>> da...@carrclan.us >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards / Met vriendelijke groeten, >>> >>> Niels Basjes >>> >> > > > -- > > ✉️ Oscar Westra van Holthe - Kind <os...@westravanholthe.nl> -- Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org <mailto:dk...@apache.org> Qlik - https://qlik.com <https://qlik.com/>
