On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmerm...@mozilla.com> wrote: > And XP still runs on ~10% of all desktops. That's an opportunity to > convert some of the users to Firefox.
This assumes that 1) users who are still on XP still make active browser choices 2) ESR wouldn't be good enough to for these users 3) XP will still run ~10% of desktops in 11 months. (FWIW, StatCounter puts XP's Web usage share of desktop closer to 7% than 10%.) On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 7:56 PM, Milan Sreckovic <msrecko...@mozilla.com> wrote: > What’s the “XP tax”? It's our attention being diverted to being backward-looking instead of forward-looking by a thousand cuts. Here are some examples off the top of my head: * We don't have EME-style DRM on XP, but if we hadn't even tried to accommodate XP, we could have avoided some grief. (For obvious reasons, I'm not going to elaborate on this on this list.) * The Rust team has had to do extra work to support XP, since XP is a Firefox product requirement. * Lack of SSE2, though not an XP problem per se, coincides with XP, so we could just require SSE2 if we didn't support XP. * XP failing to preserve register state on newer CPUs caused an investigation like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1263495#c13 Obviously, none of the above alone seems decisive, but those are just a few recent things that I can think of without searching. I'm sure there are a lots and lots of things, each smallish taken alone, but they add up and take our collective attention away from making our product better on current systems. Moving XP to ESR would liberate us from thinking of some of them, but, granted, we might feel compelled to figure out stuff like the AVX thing even on ESR. Also, some of the above are sunk cost now, but my point is that as long as XP is treated as supported, it can inflict new analogous costs on us. On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:24 PM, Kyle Huey <m...@kylehuey.com> wrote: > We jump through some hoops to support things like Linux and Mac too, and > those platforms combined have far fewer users than XP. Linux and Mac will still be as relevant in 11 months. XP's relevance is declining. If our estimate was that XP won't be worthwhile in 11 months, putting it on ESR now would make sense compared to expending the effort of full support over the next 11 months. -- Henri Sivonen hsivo...@hsivonen.fi https://hsivonen.fi/ _______________________________________________ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
