On Tuesday 2015-12-22 11:49 -0500, Ehsan Akhgari wrote: > On 2015-12-22 11:18 AM, Kartikaya Gupta wrote: > >On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 3:11 PM, L. David Baron <dba...@dbaron.org> wrote: > >>I agree it's definitely gone up recently, and agree that it causes a > >>lot of wasted time. I'm not convinced about closing the tree, > >>though; keeping the tree closed for extended periods just leads to > >>big backups. > >> > >>How about everybody reading this message takes a look at the list on > >>http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ and takes one of them to > >>fix? (Or, better, redoes the search filtered on the last 3 days > >>instead of last 7.) > > > > > >I feel like a voluntary approach is likely to have very little effect, > >given the way our goals and priorities are structured. There's very > >little incentive to voluntarily spend time banging your head against a > >wall. That's why I'm more in favor of a forced approach that is > >mandated by managers/product owners/sheriffs (i.e. people who can > >actually tell us to some extent what to do). > > I have tried to volunteer some time from my weekends occasionally to look > into the most recurring oranges every few weeks, and usually every time I > manage to figure out a handful of bugs by spending a few hours and as a > result OF would go down in the following week, but then it would go back up > again. This is a demotivating task and doesn't really scale to the > magnitude of our orange problem. I agree with kats that a voluntary based > approach will not go anywhere.
Managers should definitely be supporting this, and sheriffs (and anybody else with push access) should be backing things out for causing intermittent oranges (even if that's not discovered until days/weeks later). If people don't feel they can fix intermittent oranges during the business day as part of their job, that's a problem. But I don't think having mozilla-inbound/mozilla-central be closed more than it already is is going to help anything. It will just make people frustrated that they can't land what they've been working on. -David -- 𝄞 L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/ 𝄂 𝄢 Mozilla https://www.mozilla.org/ 𝄂 Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offense. - Robert Frost, Mending Wall (1914)
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