I think this discussion has moved a bit off topic. Let's all assume that if the intent was to gather public feedback by a post in the newsgroup that a similar intent of having a meeting with interested participant would include a good sampling of people with interest, and that their employment status with Mozilla wouldn't matter. Those have always been the assumptions at mozilla.
I think the key thing that missing in this tiles discussion goes back to a good thing that lilly once said: "...Tell me what you're trying to do, and tell me your assumptions; then I can give you feedback." I think that's what's missing from Ed's initial post. We got bits and pieces of a few parts of suggest tiles, but not an explanation of what this is trying to do for users and possible advertisers. What's needed are more details and assumptions how it might connect them closer or not, and some more details about how the overall system to generate the selection for a given tile is intended to work. >From there an explanation and discussion about how these pieces respect user privacy and tracking choices, and value for the involved parties can proceed. That's how we can get to a conversation that might discover any unintended side effects or mitigation strategies that don't really work that the orginal plan might not have considered. -chofmann On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Eric Rescorla <e...@rtfm.com> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Mike Hoye <mh...@mozilla.com> wrote: > > > On 2015-04-24 10:14 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Mike Hoye <mh...@mozilla.com> wrote: > > > >> On 2015-04-24 12:07 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > >> > >>> Who said anything about excluded? It's simply much easier to discuss > >>> detailed topics in a small real-time setting. If there are community > >>> members who are well-prepared for this discussion, I don't see why they > >>> couldn't be participants. > >>> > >> There's no practical difference between a meeting that explicitly > >> excludes the Mozilla community and one that's not widely announced > ahead of > >> time and is difficult or impossible to participate in remotely. > >> > > > > If people have something useful to say then they should presumably ask > to > > be included in the meeting. > > > > > > "But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office > > for the last nine months." > > > > "Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, > > yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call > > attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or > > anything." > > > > "But the plans were on display ..." > > > > "On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them." > > > > "That's the display department." > > > > "With a flashlight." > > > > "Ah, well the lights had probably gone." > > > > "So had the stairs." > > > > "But look, you found the notice didn't you?" > > > > "Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a > > locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door > > saying 'Beware of the Leopard'." > > > Yes, that's exactly like having a meeting to figure out a preliminary plan > and then > publishing it for public comment. > > -Ekr > > > > > > > > - mhoye > > > _______________________________________________ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > _______________________________________________ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
