On 11/04/2013 07:22, Justin Dolske wrote:
> I'd question if we really need to keep Target Milestone at all (given
> replacements for how it's used now).
We don't have replacements for "fixed from this version on", so far, as
Alex well explained.
> I don't see many Firefox/Gecko
> teams using it (let alone consistently).
It's actually very useful when you look for a bug and want to know which
version got it first, or to gather most of the bugs fixed in a given
version (unfortunately may not be 100% correct due to the fact some
teams don't use it). For example when someone files a regression bug
and you remember a related bug was fixes not a lot of time ago, the TM
can often hint you if it may be involved, just by checking the user
version. This may save expensive mozregression time.
As well as if you are in a middle of a regression-window and want to
check which version was active at that time, without having to search
for the very specific merge time and try to figure if something landed 1
minute before or after the merge.
I agree there could be better options and better tools may be built,
though I don't think we can remove TM without first having those.
> The whiteboard should be
> adequate for indicating aspirational landings.
Right, there is no need to use the TM to track future work.
>
> There is _significant_ value in eliminating/replacing niche workflows in
> favor of a more consistent system that people can actually understand.
The TM set on landing is something we do from many years, as far as i
remember could be like 4 years, and surely we started doing that more
consistently with rapid release cycle. I'd say 80% of the developers are
aware of this, so not sure it's a niche workflow. It's probably not well
documented though.
In the end we surely need a reliable and automated solution for "fixed
from this version on", though I'd be against throwing away the current
solution until we have the new one.
-m
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