On Tue, Sep 1, 2015, at 11:52 AM, J. Ryan Stinnett wrote:
> Would you prefer having the toolbox be "full screen" in the WebIDE
> window (the way it appears today without sidebars)? It's easy to make
> this happens if people would prefer it. It would then cover the
> sidebars fully, and you'd need to use the wrench icon / close the
> toolbox to access the sidebars again.

Yes, if it wouldn't result in the loss of the devtools state.  However,
based on what you're saying and how things work right now when I play
with it, I think there would be a compulsory loss of devtools state if
trying to access any of the other tooling.  (Unless there's a way to
open multiple WebIDE's somehow?  But it seems like a singleton window.)

Maybe if the splitter for the devtools is a XUL splitter, a grippy can
be put inside it and collapse used
(https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XUL/splitter#Attributes)?
 The fat grippy provides a visible affordance to get the content area
back without the visual oddity of the current minimum size for the
content area.

> There were several people displeased with the number of clicks the
> dropdowns added to their workflow in WebIDE vs. App Manager, so the
> sidebars are meant to help with that. Also, I think it make things
> less perplexing for new users, since all the buttons are in front of
> you from the start, instead of behind mysterious buttons that reveal
> dropdowns.

Yes, the discoverability seems very important.  If I were a new user, I
think I would appreciate the sidebars over a journey of exploration,
especially since choosing something in the right drop-down can result in
a change in the contents of the left drop-down which would not be
visible to the user.  And they probably checked the left drop-down
first.

Maybe the sidebars could get collapse-grippy's too?  (Although I assume
that is now a separate HTML-based framework and collapsing-grippies are
somewhat retro... but if our only solution is to drag something to
zero-width to get the screen real-estate back, then it really does need
a collapse-grippy.)
 
> Your dream is coming. :)

Woo!

Andrew
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