I like the idea, even though I spent time devloping my own solution
(yes, I am going to plug it again), I know it could be better.  It was
the best solution within my time contraints and programming skills.
Scott's approach would have the benefit of smaller footprint and faster
perfomance than relying on external services that do a lot more than you
need.  My biggest goal in developing my own solution was to give
customers the chance to choose the level of control, and to allow them
to remedy their own false positives by whitelisting (many false
positives are user specific, not global). 

Here's the plug.
Big benefit is it stores mail in a separate POP3 server so you can age
the held mail seperately from Imail. (we hold mail indefinately, but
limit capacity on Imail, and delete held spam after 7 days)
It also has user management of spam settings like the ones Scott is
proposing, Declude's solution would mean I would be able to cut it back
to only held mail management.

http://spamreview.argolink.net/doc for info and download
http://spamreview.argolink.net for the app
User [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pass demo

I'm still wonking on it, I need to add more error trapping, and would
like to add things like message sorting, but I think I will await a
decision from Declude.

Thanks,
Chuck Frolick
ArgoNet, Inc.

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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] An optional web interface for Declude
JunkMail?



>I agree that the flat files work well for Junkmail itself. However, a
>web GUI will be very hard to do without the 'masters' kept in a
database.
>Without a database you'll run into file locking problems and it will be
>harder to deal with single records.

That's why we try stay away from the bleeding edge technology -- there's
a 
reason they use the word "bleeding".  It will actually be easier for us
to 
use a flat file than to use a database.

> >  use IIS (a lot of people don't want to use it, for security
reasons).
>
>This is pretty much a moot point as both IIS and Apache have the same
>security risks. IIS just gets more press.

<G>  We won't use Apache either.

> >  or any special technologies (such as dot NET, ASP, CF, etc.).  We 
> would need to create something
> > that would work on all servers, and not have any special
requirements.
>
>That's going to be hard.

Not for us.  <G>

>You really only have two choices that could cover most of the bases.
>ASP or PHP both are available in the Win and Unix worlds. Win32 admins
>will prefer ASP.

Sorry, I should have included PHP in that list (which is amazingly 
flexible, BTW).  We're not talking about something the typical
pre-bubble 
"We need to show them something to collect our $10 million funding"
company 
would produce.  We actually wrote a web scripting language well before
ASP 
was available, and wrote our first web server back when people thought
that 
dynamic content on a web page was a web page that was updated by hand
every 
few hours.

If we require ASP or PHP, we're going to require something that a number
of 
our customers either don't have or won't have.  Many of our customers
would 
not even think of installing IIS or Apache on a mailserver.
                                     -Scott

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