On 29 April 2011 12:07, Steve Kemp <s...@debian.org> wrote: > On Fri Apr 29, 2011 at 03:48:32 +0100, Lesley Binks wrote: > >> > ?? ??* Over the past few months things have stagnated. > >> Well, I would disagree. The d-w mentoring scheme has >> assigned about 12 people (male and female) to mentors (male and female) >> within the d-w project since September 2010. > > Let me try again. I find that an incredibly condescending thing to say. > Over the past few *years* the Debian Women > project has stagnated; with few additional women joining the > project. I can't comment on why the Debian Women project has stagnated in the past few years. I can suggest various reasons why that has occurred.
> > I'm pleased new mentors have been found, I'm pleased there > is discussion upon the list again, I'm pleased this seems to > be beginning to change again, but objectively there has > been little "recent" activity. > So the adoption of a clear anti-harrassment policy at conferences is nothing of note? The restarting of the d-w mentoring scheme, the continuing progression of some female contributors to DM reflects no activity? Perhaps you think the project isn't doing anything because you don't see it. >> I think d-w is gender-inclusive and the d-w mentoring >> program has helped both male and female mentees find mentors. > > That is good. > >> If there was no one else with the interest, confidence or w.h.y. >> to 'do' the website then I would accept that it is better the job is done >> rather than worry about the gender of the person doing it. > > And this is even better. > >> However, I would certainly feel ambivalent about a group dedicated to the >> promotion of women within the Debian community having its >> website built by a bloke. > > I guess, as a bloke, that I tend to concentrate upon the other aim of > the Debian Women group, which is to make Debian easier to become > involved with for *anybody*, although obviously Women are the > main market. > >> Why? If there are enough women with the relevant skills and time in >> debian-women to do a debian-women related task, why should a >> bloke do the job instead? > > Then we come down to finding volunteers, and wondering why nothing > has changed (significantly) over the past couple of years. > As Helen has already said, we will be having a meeting about the website as a project for people in the debian-women channel at some point. There is another thread on this list centering on that. >> If you're claiming there is no kudos in being involved with the Debian >> project or any particular sub-project, be it debian-women, dsa, >> debian-security, debian-perl or any other part of the Debian project, >> then I will equally claim you are wrong. > > Indeed I accept people gain recognition from such activities, but > at the same time if "Lee[0]" wants to make the website better for > the website visitors then "Lee's notoriety" matters less than > the fact that we've all gained from an updated website. > >From the project viewpoint, I agree, we have an updated website and we gain from that. Separately, from Lee's viewpoint, he/she/it(?) has another little thing to add to their/its CV i.e. their portfolio of work done, skills learnt or refreshed and commitment shown. > On that basis I'm slightly suspicious that you've said it > would be good to have for your portfolio - something nobody else > has mentioned really. Still if the upshot is that there is a site > which everybody loves then I guess you've done a good job and the > portfolio is part of that. No real difference there than somebody > who wants to maintain a package they use - and in the same > OpenSource spirit *everybody* benefits from an active maintainer. > I would be very surprised if people who are involved in the Debian project *don't* mention it on their CVs in some way. A portfolio is external proof of ability and that may be useful. I fail to see why portfolio building should not be important to both women and men. -- Kind Regards Lesley Binks A: because it disrupts the normal flow of conversation. Q: why is top-posting so annoying? A: top-post reply. Q: what's the most annoying thing you can do in email? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktikrltt8cwp1p2tohx_yimngjbn...@mail.gmail.com
