On Sat, Feb 19, 2005 at 09:11:14PM +0000, Helen Faulkner wrote: > I wonder how many other people here experienced a similar thing to what > the woman interviewed relates: namely that the apparent level of > programming expertise of the men in her course, before the course even > started, was so high that she felt incompetant by comparison and was > discouraged from pursuing it further. My experience -- not only at university, but also in work life, and also as someone who has taught courses -- is that the majority of men has been socialized to show off. So it does not necessarily mean that they _know_ how to program (or what motherboard 123-XYZ is), but they will not tell that they in fact have little experience and just throw this motherboard number into the discussion to _look_ like someone who knows. Its about impressing people, and it takes a women a lot of time to simply see through this behaviour and even more effort to flatly ignore it.
Unfortunately most teachers don't do anything against it although it would be their duty to make clear that they see through this behaviour and discourage it. Although this would not only help women, but also less alpha men. In addition most women have a tendency to care for the result. In a team situation where a man makes the impression he -- say -- can do the programming -- she will usually have him do it since she feels confident that the best result will be achieved if she does the stuff she can best (say documentation) and he the part he can best. Even if he was simply showing off for her, this way he will learn how to program and gain experience and she won't. Again: it should be the duty of the teacher to prevent such team formations. But at university I never experienced teachers being aware of this. Have a nice weekend Patricia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]