Michael Lustfield <mich...@lustfield.net> writes: > To me, it seems like we're intentionally avoiding the GR process because > we don't like the process and have decided to simply ignore it for the > sake of extending the discussion.
I'm the person who wrote the current timelines that the GR process follows. I completely agree with Sean and Ian's decision to post a draft first, and I have recommended waiting to proceed to a GR while the discussion is still this active and is not entirely repetitive. I know that some parts of the discussion are starting to look repetitive, but I think there are still corners that are exploring new areas, and there's now a concrete discussion with the FTP team happening that I think is very important to let play out. One of the objections that some FTP team members have had is that they feel like they're being rushed into a GR, and GR timelines, on a topic that they haven't thought about in a while. A draft GR and a preliminary discussion process is a way to avoid that; maybe not the most comfortable way to avoid that, but there is no GR currently and we're having a discussion to confirm the assumptions underlying the GR, namely whether or not the FTP team still objects to core design goals of tag2upload, or if there is a way to square that circle. The timelines in the formal GR process have a significant problem: in order to avoid the appearance of people manipulating the system, which has been a topic of hot controversy in the past, they offer very little leeway and have to be minimally suitable for every possible topic that we could be having a GR about, including matters of urgency. I knew that was the case when I wrote them, and couldn't figure out a better solution to the problems we were trying to solve at the time. The compromise was to strongly suggest that anyone who was going to propose a GR on a topic that was controversial and not urgent post a draft first and allow a generous period of time for preliminary discussion. I think this is that system working as designed, speaking as the person who proposed it. -- Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
