Quoting Russ Allbery (2022-08-31 18:27:07) > Stefano Rivera <stefa...@debian.org> writes: > > > Reading this in LWN reminds me that I would don't agree with this > > interpretation. > > > I'd probably vote both the 3:1 option and the 1:1 above NOTA. This is > > because I believe that if enough of us agree, we should update the > > Social Contract to explain how our non-free-firmware section works, and > > what the images provide. > > My concern is that this in proposal A: > > We will publish these images as official Debian media, replacing the > current media sets that do not include non-free firmware packages. > > and this in the Social Contract: > > The packages in these areas are not part of the Debian system, > although they have been configured for use with Debian. > > fit together oddly. I think I can see the reasoning behind why folks > don't believe they conflict, but I must admit that my first reaction is > that they conflict. I think the implication of them not conflicting is > that our official installers are not part of the Debian system? Which > seems like an odd conclusion to me. > > I don't really want to be the proponent of an option here, but I'm a bit > worried about not addressing this head-on. So far, no one else who > supports including non-free firmware in the installer (as I do) has also > indicated that this bothers them, though, which to me argues against > adding yet another option for something that maybe only I care about. > > (Proposal B and proposal C both avoid this problem. I personally prefer > proposal A, though.)
Can you elaborate on how you support including non-free firmware in the installer *and* find the quoted paragraphs in conflict? Because I _want_ to support an installer as proposed in option A *except* that very conflict. The only way I could see to solve that conflict (other than interpreting the official installer as not part of Debian) was to keep the free-only installer around for purity reason even though generally we would promote another unofficial installer (and here the word "official" refers to what is treated as formally our main project deliverable). I expect your elaborating would help me see more possibilities. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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