On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 03:38:40PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 06:28:36PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:20:33PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 12:09:40AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > >On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 09:38:56PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > >>... > > > >> We *entirely* have the freedom to discriminate based on > > > >> what people say and do around us. We're not a government. We are *not* > > > >> in the situation where we *have* to support people saying things that > > > >> we > > > >> believe to be bad, wrong and hurtful. It is *entirely* within our > > > >> rights to evaluate people by their words and actions and to decide > > > >> whether we wish to talk or work with them in future. > > > >>... > > > > >You are saying companies should always have the right to fire employees > > > >if they join an union. > > > > Not at all, please don't twist my words. > > > > Unfortunately, there *are* many places around the world where > > > companies can do exactly that. There are many others where rights like > > > this are enshrined in other laws. Debian is not an employer here, so I > > > don't think your point is relevant? > > > I would hardly call it twisting your words. > > > Either private individuals and entities have freedom of association, or > > they do not. You can't have it both ways. > > Freedom of association means the freedom to associate with who you chose to > and the freedom to *not associate with people you don't*. It is an > infringement of the freedom of association of all other Debian developers if > we are not able to exclude someone based on the views they express and the > actions they take. > Did Richard Stallman make an application to become a Debian Maintainer or Debian Developer? It is not clear how Richard Stallman is "included" in Debian in such a way that it would even make sense to move to exclude him.
> Labor rights are entirely different from "freedom of association". > Got it. We can discriminate, but they can't. Seems a touch irrational. Regards, -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sánchez
