On Sat, 2025-08-16 at 07:21 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 16/8/25 07:08, Van Snyder wrote:
> > I have Debian 12 on one computer and Debian 12 and 13 on another.
> > The 
> > first one is an old backup I rarely use. The new one was crashing
> > in 
> > both Debian 12 and 13 so I sent the MB back to MSI. I started using
> > the 
> > backup computer and it's crashing too, so MSI will probably send
> > the MB 
> > back and ask "Why did you send this to us? There's nothing wrong
> > with it."
> > 
> > I usually run with an XTerm window, Evolution, Firefox, and
> > occasional 
> > NEdit or Okular windows. The entire system (not just one app) was 
> > crashing, usually when I was reading mail and then reading stuff 
> > linked in mail messages using Firefox 128.13.0esr. I think
> > Evolution 
> > wasn't to blame because I started having it not running, opening it
> > only 
> > occasionally, and I got a crash while Firefox was running.  By
> > "crash" I 
> > mean that the mouse cursor stops working, the graphs in GKrellM
> > stop 
> > moving, Alt-Ctrl-F12 doesn't switch, Alt-Ctrl-Del doesn't do
> > anything, 
> > tapping the power button doesn't offer me a "what do you want to
> > do" 
> > overlay, ….
> > 
> > My window manager is KDE Plasma 5.27.5 on my backup computer, and 
> > version 6.something on the newer one.
> > 
> > Does anybody else have this problem?
> > 
> > I started running Konqueror and Chromium instead of Firefox, and it
> > hasn't crashed so far.
> > 
> > — Van Snyder
> > 
> 
> If you included significant information, such as the CPU and RAM 
> specifications, it would be helpful, and, a more complete problem 
> description.
> 
> I believe that it is best not to run Firefox on a 386 with 2GB RAM
> and 
> no swap partition, for example.
> 
> Also, regarding the crashes involving Firefox, did you encounter 
> Internet connection failures, when the crashes occurred? I have
> found, 
> by experience, that loss of Internet access, causes Firefox to wreak
> havoc.

I've had no network trouble.

> 
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..............
> 

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