On Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 06:26:31AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/19/22 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Hi Gene, > > > > You could try apt-get remove (or equivalent) on each of those packages and > > see if that clears it. I _know_ this is frustrating as all get out for you > > but a clear approach, written down so that you can remember where you got > > to will be very helpful. > > > > If all else fails, you can then share it with the list and say "I got to > > step X with no problems, then Y happened - help me out here" and we'll > > have some better idea. We all jib at you for being vague/not indluding > > details but otherwise it is all just guesswork for the usual folk that > > hang out here. > > > > All the very best, as ever, > > > > Andy Cater > > > How much longer till trixie is officially out?? What you are proposing > sounds like several days work, and i have other irons in the fire. This > release has been such a disaster for me because the install insists on > installing and configuring orca and brltty w/o asking. I've done 40 some > installs now, trying to stop it from wasting about a second while its > yelling every keystroke at me because it thinks I'm blind. I finally have > orca disabled and the computer is useful. The delays are a pain in the a$$ > but i can do work now. It is not useful when orca is using 90% of a 6 core > I5 yelling at me loud enough to announce and pronounce every keystroke or > mouse motion/click loud enough to wake the neighbors. The first 23 installs > never asked me if I wanted that crap. And if you nuked the orca executable > it would not reboot but hung forever waiting for orca to start. I have it > usable, the installer AFAIAC is broken and I don't want to have to go > through all that again. Until the installer ASKS me if I want it because it > thinks I am blind, I have only one nerve left and and the suggestion that I > do yet another install, is standing on it. Trying to remove it now, it > insists on removing gnome and every dependency. I just checked again with > synaptic, removing either orca or brltty still wants to destroy the system, > Yet all I get when I fuss about the broken installer is "won't fix, not > broken'. >
How long until trixie is out? Could be 12-15 months. Are you still running Bullseye there? if so, you should probably upgrade to Bookworm sometime soon. Given that I wrote this to you two years ago: you didn't actually take the suggestion and reinstall. That's OK - but nobody has ever been able to get to the root cause of brokenness here. Is it a Gene problem or a problem that hits other people more widely? We don't have details. I see someone else has suggested strip a machine down to nothing and do a clean install with Debian 12.5. Honestly, that's what I'd do. If you can't/don't want to take this machine apart - find a spare machine and do a Debian text mode install then install TDE. At that point, you'll have a control - a counterpart that you can check and you'll have done a complete install. The suggestion that you can remove things and get it to work the way you want is only valid if you can tell us *exactly* what you've done so one of us can reproduce the problem. At this distance, that's unlikely. It's not a complete cop-out but it would be easier if you could do some sort of clean install. I'd help walk you through the steps: at this rate, it might have been quicker for me to just airfreight you a working machine :) All the very best, as ever, Andy ([email protected]) > > > > > . > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis >
