On 6/5/24 02:05, Tom Dial wrote:
On 6/4/24 04:26, gene heskett wrote:
On 2/19/22 06:31, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Hi Gene,
If this was someone calling you from a TV station saying they had a TV
transmitter that was varying in power output - you'd have a mental
checklist.
You'd get down there, perhaps schedule some sort of power down / reduced
power operation and then you'd check - power supplies, feeder cables,
hot
spots on cables - whatever. Divide and conquer- working back to a
baseline
of known working conditions and eliminating causes.
My suggestion to you of a reinstall is partly designed to get you out
of this
"X happens, I did Y, now I've got Z" - to get to a known initial state.
Take out all the serial converters to UPS, lathe and so on. Wireless
keyboard
doesn't present as serial in the same way that brltty does - if it
did, I'd
have brltty with every install on this laptop.
Copy off your home directory as you did before - maybe using tar.gz
and preserving permissions. Start with the .iso that includes
firmware - the unofficial one.
Build back slowly - do an expert text mode install if you can. Then
add your
Trinity desktop - I don't think any of us can help you there, since
we don't
run trinity.
Check and you should find that brltty isn't installed at all. Then
re-add thingsgradually until you have the working system you want.
Document it - write down
the steps you take / copy configuration files you change.
That will also reveal logging / login slowdowns or whatever caused by
individual devices as you add them back. Keep a list as you go.
That's the counsel of perfection: alternatively:
apt rdepends brltty gives me:
me@mymachine:~$ apt rdepends brltty
brltty
Reverse Depends:
Suggests: speechd-el (>= 3.7.2)
Depends: brltty-espeak (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
Suggests: orca
Depends: brltty-x11 (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
Depends: brltty-speechd (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
Depends: brltty-flite (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
You could try apt-get remove (or equivalent) on each of those
packages and
see if that clears it. I _know_ this is frustrating as all get out
for you
but a clear approach, written down so that you can remember where you
got
to will be very helpful.
Any attempt to remove cura or brltty, removes gnome leaving me I assume
with a text only system by the time gnome takes all its dependency's
with it. Thanks Tom.
If all else fails, you can then share it with the list and say "I got to
step X with no problems, then Y happened - help me out here" and we'll
have some better idea. We all jib at you for being vague/not indluding
details but otherwise it is all just guesswork for the usual folk that
hang out here.
All the very best, as ever,
Andy Cater
How much longer till trixie is officially out?? What you are
proposing sounds like several days work, and i have other irons in the
fire. This release has been such a disaster for me because the install
insists on installing and configuring orca and brltty w/o asking. I've
done 40 some installs now, trying to stop it from wasting about a
second while its yelling every keystroke at me because it thinks I'm
blind. I finally have orca disabled and the computer is useful. The
delays are a pain in the a$$ but i can do work now. It is not useful
when orca is using 90% of a 6 core I5 yelling at me loud enough to
announce and pronounce every keystroke or mouse motion/click loud
enough to wake the neighbors. The first 23 installs never asked me if
I wanted that crap. And if you nuked the orca executable it would not
reboot but hung forever waiting for orca to start. I have it usable,
the installer AFAIAC is broken and I don't want to have to go through
all that again. Until the installer ASKS me if I want it because it
thinks I am blind, I have only one nerve left and and the suggestion
that I do yet another install, is standing on it. Trying to remove it
now, it insists on removing gnome and every dependency. I just checked
again with synaptic, removing either orca or brltty still wants to
destroy the system, Yet all I get when I fuss about the broken
installer is "won't fix, not broken'.
Hi Gene,
I, too, am not in need of the services that brltty or orca provide, and
have noticed them hanging about from time to time, although I have not
encountered any difficulties like you describe.
On a bullseye system, apt-rdepends -r brltty informs me:
# apt-rdepends -r brltty
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
brltty
Reverse Depends: brltty-espeak (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
Reverse Depends: brltty-flite (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
Reverse Depends: brltty-speechd (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
Reverse Depends: brltty-x11 (= 6.3+dfsg-1+deb11u1)
brltty-espeak
brltty-flite
brltty-speechd
brltty-x11
If I understand apt-rdepends correctly, you should be able to
remove/purge brltty ("apt purge brltty") without removing any installed
packages other than the four listed above.
apt-rdepends -r orca tells me:
# apt-rdepends -r orca
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
orca
Reverse Depends: gnome (>= 1:3.38+3)
Reverse Depends: gnome-orca (3.38.2-2)
Reverse Depends: orca-sops (1.0.2-2)
gnome
gnome-orca
orca-sops
So removing orca would also take gnome, and that probably is
unacceptable to you. Accordingly, you need to tame orca to find the
process that causes it to run and persuade it not to do that.
I found, on a bookworm install (I have no bullseye with gnome and orca),
that running orca -s from a terminal will bring up a settings panel with
a check box for "Enable speech" under the "Speech" tab. Unchecking that
box and selecting the "Apply" button will silence Orca. I think that
leaves some of its subtasks running, as children of the systemd --user
task; I am far from expert here. They do not seem to use significant
resources, however.
Alternatively, you can find orca's process, for instance, with "ps -ef |
grep orca", and kill it. The -HUP signal is enough. Or you can kill its
parent process (third column in the ps -ef output) if it is not a
necessary one, or maybe teach it how to not start orca in the first place,
I hope this is useful. Things like this can be very annoying.
Regards,
Tom Dial
.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
.
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
