It seems complicated to understand what I can do and what I can't. So,my idea is to prepare everything and then I will give my github repo (maybe configured as a private repo) to a debian legal representative hoping that he/she will tell me precisely where the project needs to be changed. But I also think that before talking with them,I need that some experienced user tries to pass his nvidia gpu installing "my" distro,to be sure that it works. What do you think ?
Il giorno lun 17 ott 2022 alle ore 19:55 Andrew M.A. Cater < amaca...@einval.com> ha scritto: > [Title of the mail changed to reflect a new subject and topic following > the suggestions in the FAQ and mailing list code of conduct.] > Forwarded to the list as I sent this only to Mario by mistake. > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 06:29:45PM +0200, Mario Marietto wrote: > > Hello to everyone. > > > > Hi Mario, > > > I'm building my debian derivative distro not for business purposes,but to > > be useful to someone. Maybe I will ask for some money as a donation,but > I'm > > not even sure. When I will have created the first stable version,I will > put > > it in my github with all the scripts that I have added inside the ISO > > image. > > Money isn't really the issue here. > > Don't forget about the need to comply with licences on distribution of > source and so on. Do track _exactly_ the changes you make from Debian - > it will help you enormously. > > > I've read the guidelines and I've asked for clarifications to the > > legal debian department. They seemed to be very open in relation with the > > Debian logo usage,because it is open source,contrary to that of Ubuntu / > > Canonical and so I've chosen Debian. > > See also the Debian trademark guidelines: https://www.debian.org/trademark > > > Since my goal is not to earn money,I > > put the emphasis on the name of "my" distro,but at the same time I kept > the > > word Debian inside. It does not seem that this behavior is against some > > rules. What do you think ? > > You do need to chat to the trademark folks - Debian is usually fairly open > but it is important to get it right. Debian holds trademarks in the US, EU > China and Japan as a minimum. https://www.debian.org/trademark#trademarks > > > I'm not using a complicated preseed file. I'm > > using more configuration files ad hoc for the goal that I want to achieve > > (to create a debian distro ready for passing thru every nvidia gpu which > > work out of the box + various tools for achieving that goal and some > > premade configurations to use different kind of virtualization tools). > > You need to be very careful indeed that you can distribute all the code you > need to do this: you may also need to talk to Nvidia to work out how to get > them to distribute firmware updates and so on to you. > > Likewise for the visualisation tools - many of these are proprietary and > you'll > need to be able to distribute these to your users and also be absolutely > clear > that distributing them together on the same media doesn't upset any of the > individual vendors. > > > I > > want to share the project with you,also. When I am satisfied,I will put > the > > first ISO on my github + all the config files added and I would like to > > know what you think about it. To be honest,the Debian representative that > > I'm talking with does not reply fast and he / she does not seem to ask a > > decent amount of details. > > I think you need to check really clearly what the references on the Debian > wiki give: I think you need to think carefully about how much you want to > commit to this. If it didn't involve debian-live AND non-free code, I'd > suggest that you talked closely to others about making this a Debian Pure > Blend. As it is, I don't think that's an option. > > There's a lot to do as well as you possibly can before you can pass the > results of your work to a single user, I'm afraid. Debian-legal folk will > respond but you may need to be absolutely clear in your own mind exactly > what you're doing and the extent to which your learning curve will > get steeper to produce the solution. You may also want to talk to folk who > > Ot you're doing and the extent to which your learning curve will > get steeper to produce the solution. You may also want to talk to folk who > are already building and distributing distributions based on Debian-live. > > Distrowatch.com may help - LWN's distribtion's page is now almost a year > out > of date - but both of these may provide pointers to others who've done this > before you. > > With every good wish, as ever, > > Andy Cater > > > > > > Il giorno lun 17 ott 2022 alle ore 13:47 Thomas Schmitt < > scdbac...@gmx.net> > > ha scritto: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > David Wright wrote: > > > > they are no longer Debian logos. You > > > > should give names to your edited files that indicate what they are: > > > > /your/ images for /your/ derivative. Add them to the archive and > > > > change the symlinks there. > > > > > > I found > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines > > > which Mario Marietto should check. > > > > > > Naming of files is not mentioned, afaics. > > > But there is much emphasis on not using "Debian" in the name of the > > > "business". This demand applies to various software packages and > artwork, > > > too: > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Guidelines#De-.2FRe-branding > > > > > > I wonder whether a preseeded Debian Live ISO constitutes a derived > distro > > > and Mario Marietto's preseeding project qualifies as "business". > > > The changes of which i know use an official Debian mechanism to shorten > > > or hardcode the installation process. The Live personality is > completely > > > unchanged, afaik. > > > > > > So for now the only non-Debian thing is the title > > > "BridgeVmOS Debian Custom" > > > in > > > https://ibb.co/GHHDQ3H > > > It looks like a project name and thus could be regarded as "business". > > > > > > I wonder whether a title like > > > "Debian , preseeded by BridgeVmOS" > > > would be ok. > > > > > > > > > Well, before following the Guideline advise > > > "Consult the DebianProjectLeader meanwhile on a case-by-case basis" > > > Mario Marietto should probably list the changes in his ISO towards the > > > original ISO. I know of: > > > - Introducing a preseed file. > > > - Changing logo files in the initrd. > > > - (Packing up the ISO with xorrisofs options which are equivalent to > > > those currently used by Debian Live, as far as boot capabilities > are > > > concerned. But Debian could move to other layouts for booting.) > > > > > > Such a list could then be the base of decisions. > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day :) > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mario. > > -- Mario.
