On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 06:26:20PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 22:52:07 +0200
> <to...@tuxteam.de> wrote:

[... on disabling javascript]

> Question: is this due to a belief that such sites are (at least for
> your use cases) at best marginally more useful than their non-JS
> utilizing alternatives, or due to a desire to punish such sites or an
> ethical objection to them?

I don't believe in punishment (to people, that is). Corps can't be
punished, anyway. I just find this whole machinery (what Shoshana
Zuboff [1] calls "surveillance capitalism") so disgusting that I
choose to take as little part in it as is compatible with my way
of life. Call this an "ethical position" if you must -- I tend to
avoid such high-flying terms, because at the end everyone understands
them differently, causing confusion.

And yes, part of it is the realization that "convenience" doesn't
top all -- through "convenience" [2], I'm being manipulated. That's the
Trojan horse. I want to be aware of when this happens, and take those
decisions in full knowledge.

>                            I certainly need to use numerous sites (bill
> paying, banking, etc.) that require JS to function.

There's no clear-cut, generally valid thing here. I've the luck to live
in a country (Germany) where an open protocol for banking exists (HBCI),
and a free software implementing that protocol. So, thanks $DEITY, I
just can do my bank things from the command line. There are other things
(tax decl), where I've to use my browser, with javascript. This browser
runs in a separate user session, with another user ID.

"Be like water" :-)

Cheers

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshana_Zuboff
[2] That's why I tend to not use NoScript and adblockers. I *really*
   want to know. I sometimes even do read the javascript which is not
   executed on my machine ;-D

-- t

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