On Wed 05 Jul 2017 at 08:09:58 (-0400), RavenLX wrote: > On 07/01/2017 12:39 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Fri 30 Jun 2017 at 22:46:35 (+0200), Dejan Jocic wrote: > >>On 30-06-17, David Wright wrote: > >>> > >>>I'm not sure what this is all about; unattended-upgrades appears > >>>to have been maintained by the same person since the days of etch, > >>>a decade ago. What constitutes an advertisement, and how is the > >>>question posed as to whether updates are automatic or not? > >>> > >>>Cheers, > >>>David. > >>> > >> > >>Probably because unattended-upgrades were not pulled in before > >>automatically on install of Debian. In Stretch, through some added > >>recommends, they are installed by default on at least Gnome and KDE > >>tasks. > > > >My points were aimed at two sections: "how did this got to stable > >without really being advertised properly through those running > >testing. I was under the impression that for anything other than > >security-bug-fixes everything goes through the unstable and testing > >first. This seems as something that appeared behind us." > >and > >"An update of apt/synaptics/aptitude could have included > >the option to consciously choose between auto or manual updates." > > > >Neither of those have been addressed.
Still not clear. > >But on your point of what's pulled in automatically by accepting > >recommendations, I can't see a great difference between jessie and > >stretch; either of task-gnome-desktop or task-kde-desktop > >appears to install unattended-upgrades by virtue of the chains > >of dependencies/recommendations below. > > [snip] > > There's this one difference in my system. In Jessie I was using XFCE > for my desktop. Now in Stretch, I decided to go with KDE. … and I think my chain of dependencies may have included Suggests, which is weaker then Recommends. IIRC with apt-get you have to opt into Suggests whereas you opt out of Recommends. I don't know the situation with higher level package frontends. Cheers, David.
