On Fri 30 Jun 2017 at 22:46:35 (+0200), Dejan Jocic wrote: > On 30-06-17, David Wright wrote: > > > > I'm not sure what this is all about; unattended-upgrades appears > > to have been maintained by the same person since the days of etch, > > a decade ago. What constitutes an advertisement, and how is the > > question posed as to whether updates are automatic or not? > > > > Cheers, > > David. > > > > Probably because unattended-upgrades were not pulled in before > automatically on install of Debian. In Stretch, through some added > recommends, they are installed by default on at least Gnome and KDE > tasks.
My points were aimed at two sections: "how did this got to stable without really being advertised properly through those running testing. I was under the impression that for anything other than security-bug-fixes everything goes through the unstable and testing first. This seems as something that appeared behind us." and "An update of apt/synaptics/aptitude could have included the option to consciously choose between auto or manual updates." Neither of those have been addressed. But on your point of what's pulled in automatically by accepting recommendations, I can't see a great difference between jessie and stretch; either of task-gnome-desktop or task-kde-desktop appears to install unattended-upgrades by virtue of the chains of dependencies/recommendations below. jessie: unattended-upgrades ['education-common', 'python-software-properties', 'python3-software-properties'] python3-software-properties ['software-properties-common', 'software-properties-gtk', 'software-properties-kde'] software-properties-gtk ['synaptic'] software-properties-kde ['apper'] synaptic ['apt', 'aptoncd', 'cinnamon-desktop-environment', 'education-desktop-gnome', 'education-desktop-lxde', 'education-desktop-mate', 'education-desktop-other', 'task-gnome-desktop', 'task-lxde-desktop', 'task-mate-desktop', 'task-xfce-desktop'] apper ['apper-dbg', 'browser-plugin-packagekit', 'gstreamer1.0-packagekit', 'packagekit-gtk3-module', 'task-kde-desktop'] stretch: unattended-upgrades ['education-common', 'parl-desktop', 'plinth', 'python3-software-properties'] python3-software-properties ['software-properties-common', 'software-properties-gtk', 'software-properties-kde'] software-properties-gtk ['gnome-packagekit', 'gnome-software', 'synaptic'] software-properties-kde ['apper', 'plasma-discover'] synaptic ['apt', 'cinnamon-desktop-environment', 'education-desktop-gnome', 'education-desktop-lxde', 'education-desktop-mate', 'education-desktop-other', 'mate-menu', 'task-gnome-desktop', 'task-lxde-desktop', 'task-lxqt-desktop', 'task-mate-desktop', 'task-xfce-desktop'] apper ['gstreamer1.0-packagekit', 'packagekit-gtk3-module', 'task-kde-desktop'] Cheers, David.
