On 24-03-17, Catherine Gramze wrote: > > > On Mar 23, 2017, at 9:20 PM, David Wright <deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote: > > > > It's not really polite to call this "expert" (only in the sense > > described by the Advanced options in the installer) rabid, and what > > I do with the installer ridiculous. > > > > I don't wish to accept arbitrary impositions on what I can do with > > free software. That's the rationale behind its existence: freedom. > > Nor do I wish to be told what I ought to be spending my money on, > > just to conform with your, ahem, suggestions. > > The point of free software is not to cater to your personal preferences, or > mine, but to make that software accessible and useful to the greatest number > of people. The netinst installer doesn't do that when it allows a very broken > installation to result. There will inevitably be "arbitrary" decisions > involved in a project like this, like not including the non-free firmware in > the installer, and the switch to systemd. > > If you don't have a spare network card to use temporarily for a netinst and > don't want to spend $15 on a USB NIC then download and use a different > installer, like the first dvd of the complete set. It's free! > > You still have not mentioned any actual use case for this hypothetical base > system box with no network capability. What is the practical daily function > of this box? You just keep insisting that you have such a use, and that using > a different installer to get it is unacceptable as an option. Why is it so > unacceptable? Because changing the netinst installer it might make it easier > for new users to Debian? > > Cathy
While I do agree that Debian should be made more newbie friendly, I do not think that it will do much good towards that goal to change net installer. Debian has solid documentation. Not as good as some, like for example Arch and FreeBSD, but it is solid one. Trouble for newbie is to find some things that it will make their lives with Debian easier. One of those things is firmware needed for installation. Newbie with net installer that has firmware on it is in much better position than newbie who has net installer that will fail to do installation if it can not set up networking. Some better hints for newbies on front page of site, like special welcome link for newbies which kind of says "Welcome newcomers, click here please for important things you want and need to know". And there, some kind of FAQ list with further links should exits.
