On 26/07/15 08:57 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 26 July 2015 13:17:02 Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 10:54:35 +0100
Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
But that is for wheezy and earlier. systemd is, of course, different.
Maybe the list should implement a rule, that people asking a question tell
us whether they are running systemd or not.
Given that the advent of systemd has, as a stroke, made all the knowledge
acquired over the years by Linux old-timers obsolete, it would avoid advice
being given, that turns out to be useless to the user.
This latter point may also, in part, explain resistance to the adoption of
systemd, and the rise of systemd-free distributions...
Yes, on my one systemd box, I had a problem with which no-one could help me.
I do not allege that systemd directly caused it, but that the advent of
systemd caused a lot that had worked one way before, to have to work
differently now; that there are still some glitches in this, and that we, as
a group, do not know the answers. I asked on two lists, fiddled, went spare,
decided that life is too short and reinstalled. With Jessie again. It is
lovely, but ...
I am now terrified to upgrade because the problem arose as a result of a
mistake I made during a routine upgrade. It is a mistake I have made before,
and always been able to get out of before. If I make it again, I shall
reinstall again much earlier.
I am not upgrading my desktop yet. Wheezy is long term. In a year or so
Jessie may have settled down, the bugs may have been ironed out, and we may
all have acquired some expertise. Or I can wait for Stretch. I am not
tempted to leave Debian, and am still very grateful for it. But I do think
that it is a pity that Jessie was released. It was not, IMHO, release ready.
Yes, it runs beautifully for many people, but it is not stable, however much
it may be Stable. There are too many problems. And as Renaud says, not
enough expertise.
Lisi
I haven't had any significant problems with systemd but then I waited
several months before upgrading my servers to jessie and before
upgrading my workstation to stretch. Maybe it's because of MS-DO but
I've learned to wait for the .1 release before upgrading. :)
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