On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:16:57 -0500 "T.J. Duchene" <t.j.duch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The decision has been made by the > Debian TC. So be it. Yeah, the nsa also made the decision to infect a max of computers and phones among other things like spying on everybody… So be it? (usual defense: "if you have nothing to hide, what the hell?" my defense: "my private life, as its name says, is PRIVATE, and the first who will try to put its long nose in it without my consent will pay a higher price than he could imagine"). > a) If I will have to have systemd installed even if I do not want it. From unstable (sid) perspective, not all systemd, but some of its libs and "compatibility" pkgs. > b) If completely purging Systemd and using an offered alternative > break or otherwise hamper the packaging system. Let me reformulate to see if I understand you well: you wanna get rid of _all_ junkD pieces. If it is that, I'm not even sure you would be able to login. This is what happens if I wanna de-install junkD: To be removed: aptdaemon I can do w/o it colord I can't do w/o it (color publications) gnome-bluetooth I can do w/o it (but practical) gnome-power-manager Don't care (tlp does it better) gnome-settings-daemon Might cause problems w/ XFCE laptop keys gnome-user-share Might cause PB w/ android libpam-systemd ShitD plunges its claws in it :( network-manager Quite useful for a nomade network-manager-gnome " packagekit ? (now part of apt) packagekit-tools policykit-1 Will almost certainly force me to input a P/W policykit-1-gnome for each admin task tlp-rdw Best I could find for laptop management udisk2 Will force me to (u)mount manually I'm not a specialist of every pkg, so I may be wrong on some of them (or even all:) This means eg: I can't get rid of junkD because of colord which is important to me (and this is only the beginning of a terribly looong list of dependencies to come). In fact, it is the root of the rant of many of us: in a brief future, we'll be _forced_ to use junkD because of all these dependencies. Formerly, the Debian bureau did a very nice and responsible job, but it seems that these days they've got shit for brain… (or sneaky goals, which is even worse). > If it is a case where systemd is required to be used, I might have to > move some of my work off of Debian to Gentoo or FreeBSD. _For now_, Gentoo seems to be able to completely avoid junkD to the profit of openRC; will that be a lasting situation? Nothing's less sure:( FreeBSD, seems to have some advantages (I didn't knew that it could "execute most Linux binaries" as this page says; although, if these binaries are rotten w/ junkD deps…): https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/explaining-bsd/comparing-bsd-and-linux.html Unfortunately, it doesn't seems to cope with desktops very well: http://brioteam.com/linux-versus-freebsd-comprehensive-comparison Some other links: http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01 it also is less bloated than Linux (which has a bad tendency to turn obese now): http://nileshgr.com/2013/06/07/the-move-from-linux-to-freebsd another brew: http://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/user/Comparison_with_Linux/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140918015325.0409b194@msi.defcon1
