On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 11:17:02PM CEST, Tom H <[email protected]> said: > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Bob Proulx <[email protected]> wrote: > > Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> > >> Yes, that's what I meant, sysvinit is not broken. > > > > I rather agree. But the opponents cite corner cases where the > > previous security model doesn't handle every possible access case. > > > > I always hate it when people say such vague statements such as > > "modern" or "is broken" without actually saying why it is one way or > > the other. After reading months of arguments these next two postings > > were the first real postings I had read with any detail in them. > > Especially the second one. > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00455.html > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/06/msg00461.html > > > > These are things that probably 99.44%[1] of the population hasn't ever > > needed before. The 99% where everything works for us are all of us > > crying about the disruption. But for that 0.56% that worried about > > those corner cases they see the old system as really broken. They are > > probably right that it is broken for them. But there are better ways > > to go about improving the system than the unpleasant way that systemd > > has been rolled out to the community. > > Didn't all DEs use consolekit and policykit? IIRC wasn't the CTTE bug > filed because of a debian-devel@ thread about Gnome depending on > systemd (because of logind and/or libpam-systemd)? > > The problem's that consolekit is abandonware upstream, logind is its > replacement, policykit removed consolekit support, and logind requires > systemd as pid 1 (or systemd-shim).
logind requires pam-systemd which as of today version in testing requires systemd-sysv systemd-shim today is NOT an option. No more. It was *remived* from the dependencies. And completeley removed,the dependency is not on a version ot yet in testing. For me that means that systemd developper want to remove it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: https://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
