On Mon 04 Aug 2014 at 18:28:44 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:03:35 +0200 > Raffaele Morelli <raffaele.more...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I've seen tons of posts sent to this list about systemd... bla bla > > bla... and did not understand what's the matter with it. > > > > I wonder what are you all doing with your init scripts which doesn't > > work with systemd. So what? > > > > /r > > I can answer that with two reasons: > > 1) Binary log files. If you can't see what a radical departure that is > from the world of Unix, look again.
Looked twice. It is a radical departure. > 2) Gratuitous interdependency. Part of the Unix Philosophy is that > programs should "do one thing and do it well." The user assembles a > functionality from many such small programs. Up to now, init was > just init. It started the computer, the /dev and /proc stuff, the > TTY's and the daemons, then pretty much got out of the way. Now here > comes systemd, requiring or encouraging even desktop environments to > require or suggest it. systemd neither requires nor encourages DEs to use it. It does tempt in a rather cheeky way, though. So much so that its allure has turned out to be irresistable to upstream GNOME. Weak-kneeded and impressionable, the lot of them! > Imagine if they replaced grep, cut, cat, diff, awk, sed, head, tail, > ls, and find with ks (stands for Kitchen Sink). You can do anything > you want with ks, but you need to know all its options and config > settings, and its myriad of idiosyncracies. And if it has bugs or > departures from documented behavior, as any program of its size is > likely to have at one time or another, everything breaks. Hey, a sparkling idea. We could call the program "busybox" and try to get it into d-i. Now, would it catch on elsewhere? > So whether stuff works with systemd isn't the main problem, it's just > icing on the cake when it *doesn't* work. Yummy. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/04082014235057.c73778a5d...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
