> On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:24 -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
> > As far as gvfs goes, it's harmless.  Why be upset over it
> > installation?
> 
> External hard disc drives that fulfill the EU Regulation, that they have
> to sleep after a while, will be waked up by GVFS again and again. This
> will kill those "green" drives. Software like GVFS that will damage
> hardware is a no-go. To get rid of it only a dummy package is needed, or
> maintainers who ignore insane upstream dependencies ;).

I think that this is in the pipeline to address, but the problem is in Windows 
and OS X as well. A lot of it is name-calling and finger-pointing, and gvfs is 
no different from other devs.    I know that on a Mac, if you use Apple's own 
external drive, there is no problem.  I don't suppose that is really relevant.  
In the US, there was a program you could download from WD and I think maybe 
something similar from Seagate, that would disable the sleep thing.  The drive 
would always be spinning, but it didn't cause the heads to keep parking and 
unparking.  I don't know if this is still available or not, but I suspect that 
it isn't available in the EU.  Windows will also sleep the WiFi adapter if you 
don't disable sleep, and then the USB won't reconnect after wakeup.  It takes a 
physical unplug/replug to reset the thing.  It is extremely bothersome.  It 
causes problems on reboot, too. 

Have you considered NAS?  

> Regarding to the conflicts caused by Mate, how e.g. is the conflict
> between mate-file-archiver and file-roller solved for Debian?

To be honest, I don't know.  There is no package named mate-file-roller 
installed on my machine.  I'm running the Jessie version of MATE 1.6.  

Mark




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